ProZ.com global directory of translation services
 The translation workplace
Ideas
KudoZ home » Russian to English » Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.

пассионарный

English translation: passionary


Login or register (free and only takes a few minutes) to participate in this question.

You will also have access to many other tools and opportunities designed for those who have language-related jobs
(or are passionate about them). Participation is free and the site has a strict confidentiality policy.
14:07 Jan 13, 2005
Russian to English translations [PRO]
Social Sciences - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Russian term or phrase: пассионарный
В наиболее депресивных сельских районах имеют место миграция молодых людей пассионарного типа в города ....

I'm not at all sure that "passionate" is an adequate translation. There is an interesting discussion of the word пассионарный at asiatov.ru,including this:

ЭХ ТЫ! А еще Тувинец и Гумилевец! Пассионарность - это ключевое понятие в системах этногенеза и культурогенеза, разработанных выдающимся этим русским мыслителем. В общем смысле, пассионарность - это способность человека жертвовать собой ради идеологических целей. Пассионарность по Л.Н. Гумилеву - биологическое свойство человека, которое передается по наследству. Пассионарии - активные творцы истории. Примеры пассионарных личностей : пророк Мухаммед, Александр Македонский, Наполеон, В.И. Ленин, Е. Бельков, А. Лысенко, А. Корниенко.

А ваще с пассионарностью Л.Н. Гумилев Связывает целую систему понятий: Пассионарии - особи, пассионарный импульс поведения которых превышает величину импульса инстинкта самосохранения.
James Walker
Local time: 01:31
English translation:passionary
Explanation:
пассионарный толчок - passionary drive

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 33 mins (2005-01-13 14:41:06 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Термин этот ввел Гумилев и лучше всего перевести как в переводах Гумилева на английски язык. Сомневаюсь, что можно найти такие переводы в сети, но на сайте Гумилевика
http://gumilevica.kulichki.net/english.html

этот термин перевели именно так - passionary

пассионарная теория - passionary theory
пассионарный толчок - passionary drive

Selected response from:

Antonina Zaitseva
Local time: 06:31
Grading comment
Thanks to everyone! "Passionary" it is.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +3passionary
Antonina Zaitseva
3 +2passionate; passionarity
Kirill Semenov
4 +1passionaryBlithe
4selfless; inspiring
Yavor Dimitrov
4пылкий
Anna Tomashevskaya


  

Answers


13 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
пассионарный
selfless; inspiring


Explanation:
A selfless person would commit themselves to others as well as to just causes.

Yavor Dimitrov
Bulgaria
Local time: 08:31
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in BulgarianBulgarian
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

5 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
пассионарный
пылкий


Explanation:
можно еще сказать горячих. Есть горячие головы, горячие сердца.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 8 mins (2005-01-13 14:16:03 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Хотя в принципе, если это относится к социологии и т.п., то можно было бы оставить пассионарного типа. Л.Н.Гумилев, хорошо чувствовал русский язык.

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 20 mins (2005-01-13 14:27:49 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Actually, I would use passionate, sorry, I was confused.

Anna Tomashevskaya
Local time: 09:31
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in BelarusianBelarusian, Native in RussianRussian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Kirill Semenov: "пассионарность" -- в теории Гумилева очень строгий термин. А русский язык его... на любителя, надо сказать
10 mins
  -> вообще-то да, согласна с Вами
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

26 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
пассионарный
passionary


Explanation:
пассионарный толчок - passionary drive

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 33 mins (2005-01-13 14:41:06 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

Термин этот ввел Гумилев и лучше всего перевести как в переводах Гумилева на английски язык. Сомневаюсь, что можно найти такие переводы в сети, но на сайте Гумилевика
http://gumilevica.kulichki.net/english.html

этот термин перевели именно так - passionary

пассионарная теория - passionary theory
пассионарный толчок - passionary drive



Antonina Zaitseva
Local time: 06:31
Native speaker of: Native in BulgarianBulgarian, Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
Thanks to everyone! "Passionary" it is.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Blithe: пока я ссылки искала :)
13 mins
  -> Не расстраивайтесь :) Бывает.

agree  Alexander Onishko
16 mins
  -> Спасибо :)

agree  Larissa Dinsley
23 mins
  -> Спасибо:)
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

39 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
пассионарный
passionary


Explanation:
The ethnos is supposed to be a 'biological' entity determined by its place in the natural environment, but at the same time, inspired by a few innovative leaders, each 'ethnos' has its special time of intense flowering (which Gumilev called **'passionary'**).
http://www.erica.demon.co.uk/IA/IA301.html

Our primary goal is to divulge the ideas of Dr. Lev
Nikolaeivich Gumiliov (LNG) - his **passionary** theory ethnogenes- to specialized readers of historical literature as well as to general readers.
http://gumilevica.kulichki.net/english.html

Blithe
Local time: 01:31
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Larissa Dinsley
11 mins
  -> спасибо

neutral  Kirill Semenov: Гумилев выбрал в _русском_ слово "пассионарный". Так называли итальянских революционеров, напр. Бенвенуто Челлини: "пассионарии". Страстные. Но в английском passionary имеет совсем другой смысл, вот в чем суть и смысел и прочий deep meaning. :)
18 mins
  -> ИМХО тема для продолжительной дисскуссии, выходящей за рамки КУДОЗа, и к которой я лично не готова.
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)

24 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +2
пассионарный
passionate; passionarity


Explanation:
"Passionarity" is a specific term of Gumilev's theory first described in his "Etnogenesis and the biosphere of Earth", and I would _not_ recommend to change the terminology. A great scientific piece, by the way! I also has a couple of his other books...


I have not seen any translations of Gumilev's into Russian, but you may do a quick search on the word "passionarity" and you will find quite a lot of sites. "People of passionate type" or maybe simply "passionaries" (?). In Russian, we have a word "пассионарий" which usually means a revolutionary person.

Here are some quotes from the Web:

languagehat.com: IDIOCENTRISM.
... I'm well aware that Gumilev (GumilYOV, just in case) is, mildly speaking, controversial ...
long as it can be separated from his ethnogenesis and passionarity stuff ...
www.languagehat.com/archives/001657.php - 19k - Cached - Similar pages

[PDF] Historical Dynamics Peter Turchin
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... have been developed to the point where they can actually yield testable predictions:
Ibn Khaldun’s theory of asabiya, and Gumilev’s theory of passionarity. ...
www.santafe.edu/files/gems/ coevolutionV/collectivesolidarity.pdf

[PDF] ANALOGUES OF COHERENT AND DISSIPATIVE STRUCTURES IN SOCIAL AND ...
File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
... Gumilev defined passionarity in general as an effect of biochemical energy accumulated
in a living organism and interpreted by mentality [1] or as an effect of ...
www.kluweronline.com/article.asp?PIPS=500749&PDF=1


I'm sure you will see many more, just seek for "Gumilev + passionate" or "passionarity".

--------------------------------------------------
Note added at 56 mins (2005-01-13 15:04:09 GMT) Post-grading
--------------------------------------------------

Just to quote a dictionary:

Meaning of PASSIONARY
Webster\'s 1913 Dictionary

Definition: \\Pas\"sion*a*ry\\, n. [L. passionarius: cf. F.
passionaire.]
A book in which are described the sufferings of saints and
martyrs. --T. Warton.

That\'s why above I put a question mark after the word. Your choice, anyway.....


Kirill Semenov
Ukraine
Local time: 08:31
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in RussianRussian
PRO pts in category: 66

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  NataliaElo: http://artiom.home.mindspring.com/gumilev/ch4.htm
14 mins
  -> спасибо :) я просто пытался обойтись без "мартирологов". ;-)

agree  Jarema
14 mins
Login to enter a peer comment (or grade)




Return to KudoZ list


KudoZ™ translation help
The KudoZ network provides a framework for translators and others to assist each other with translations or explanations of terms and short phrases.



See also: