som operativne vyťažil

English translation: called the bluff

06:24 Feb 11, 2009

Slovak to English translations [PRO]
Bus/Financial - Business/Commerce (general)

Slovak term or phrase: som operativne vyťažil

Dňa ... **som operativne vyťažil osobu,** ......., za účelom predaja spoločnosti ...

These are the opening words of a police report ("Úradný záznam"), and are apparently the quoted words of someone talking about the sale of a company.

From the context, I would expect something like "I contacted a person ...". I don't know why those particular words, "som operativne vyťažil", are used.

Dylan Edwards KudoZ activity Questions: 1844 (10 open) (62 closed without grading) Answers: 1033 United Kingdom
Local time: 17:03

English translation:called the bluff

Explanation:
Just an idea. :))

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That's what my bro have told me. Obviously, "call the bluff" is not what you would use, so if you come up with something, please share.

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I don't know. "Operatívne vyťažiť" means "taktický získať informácie", which to me it means something like "call the bluff". As you've said, it's not clear "who is talking". It could be the policeman, or it also could be that the person making the statement is saying that he called a bluff on the third person. I don't know.

Selected response from:

Rad Graban (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:03

Grading comment

Thank you, Rad. It's useful to have your brother's point of view on this. I think this gives the best insight into what's going on, but I haven't settled on a 'definitive version'.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

3 +1

I examined him operatively

Matej Hasko

I have (operationally) appointed a person to ...

Igor Liba

to utilize...for

Maria Chmelarova

called the bluff

Rad Graban (X)

Summary of reference entries provided

Takticky získať informácie

Rad Graban (X)

Discussion entries: 11

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

No further context...

10:33 Feb 19, 2009

Thanks to everyone for the comments. This may be clever or 'tactical' questioning, perhaps for the purpose of showing up inconsistencies in the evidence. The rest of this report is absolutely routine and gives no new information.

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

11:49 Feb 11, 2009

Yes, I've done some mental gymnastics this morning.

Matej Hasko

11:18 Feb 11, 2009

I wouldn't be surprised iif the policeman uses the words "za účelom" in a different meaning. Their language is often completely different from the standard usage.

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

za účelom

10:37 Feb 11, 2009

I think the mistake lies in the words "za účelom". I don't think the police officer means "for the purpose of". "in connection with" would make more sense. Anyway, I've sent the job off now, with some comments about this sentence.

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

10:25 Feb 11, 2009

I mean it would be very strange if the report did not give the name and details of the person making the statement. So I think the person whose details follow immediately after "osobu" is, in fact, the one whom the police officer "vyťažil".

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

I'm beginning to suspect that there's something wrong with the sentence.

10:21 Feb 11, 2009

There may be something missing from the first sentence of this report.
When I look at the report as a whole (it isn't very long), it seems to me that the police officer is consistently using the first person with reference to himself.
"osobu" is immediately followed by the name and details of the person who sold the company. It makes sense to me that this is the person making the statement to the police officer. (If one interprets it otherwise, then there's absolutely no mention of the person actually making the statement, which would be very strange).

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

On first impression,

10:15 Feb 11, 2009

this looks like a police officer reporting, in the first person: "... som operativne vyťažil osobu" - it looks as if he called on the person to make a statement, or "extracted" information from him... BUT the sentence goes on: "za účelom predaja spoločnosti" (the sale of the company, and the names of the buyer and seller, are mentioned many times throughout this set of documents).

Charles Stanford

Czech Republic

08:16 Feb 11, 2009

I think you must be right Igor. Why don't you post an answer.... "I appointed/commissioned a person" or something. I cannot answer it because you have done the leg-work...!

Igor Liba

Slovakia

08:02 Feb 11, 2009

or "som operatívne nariadil prácu osobe"

Igor Liba

Slovakia

07:36 Feb 11, 2009

try to think about "poveril som ho služobnými povinosťami"

Dylan Edwards

United Kingdom

ASKER

That should be operat*í*vne.

06:59 Feb 11, 2009

My difficulty is that this use of the verb "vyťažiť" looks unfamiliar to me.
"extracted"? Perhaps it's used in the sense of "made use of".

Answers

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

I examined him operatively

Explanation:
the police use the word "vyťažiť" in the meaning "to perform an examination" (vypočúvať, robiť výsluch)

Matej Hasko
Local time: 18:03
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Slovak

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks. Yes, I can believe it's police jargon.

2 hrs confidence:

I have (operationally) appointed a person to ...

Explanation:
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http://slovnik.juls.savba.sk/?w=vyťažiť&s=exact&d=kssj4&d=ps...

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It would be easier to see the whole report.

Igor Liba
Slovakia
Local time: 18:03
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Slovak
PRO pts in category: 24

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you very much for trying to make logical sense of this. I've now come to the conclusion that there's a mistake in the sentence: specifically the use of "za účelom"... I don't know if you'll agree with my comments above.

Asker: It's a horrible sentence to throw at you, especially without the context of the report as a whole.

7 hrs confidence:

called the bluff

Rad Graban (X)
United Kingdom
Local time: 17:03
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Slovak
PRO pts in category: 12

Grading comment

Thank you, Rad. It's useful to have your brother's point of view on this. I think this gives the best insight into what's going on, but I haven't settled on a 'definitive version'.

Notes to answerer

Asker: It could be! My initial problem, as you've seen, was making logical sense of the sentence. I think it does refer to the way the police officer was trying to extract information from the witness.

Asker: Call the bluff? You mean the police officer was posing as a potential buyer of the company?

8 hrs confidence:

to utilize...for

Explanation:
(ja) som operativne vytazil osobu (niekoho, dalsiu osobu - someone)
operativne - zalozena na riadenom postupe
vytazit osobu - vyuzit osobu - to utilize (someone) for the purpose of the sale of the company...

vyťažit = also to use, to utilize for purpose of full capacity to do something else, here to sale the company...

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I think it is some investigation going on and the policeman is/was involved in somehow. Now he has to prove, defend his action(s), that he did not broke the code of work ethics, when he appointed someone from the work place for the purpose of selling the company.

Maria Chmelarova
Local time: 12:03
Native speaker of: Slovak

Notes to answerer

Asker: Well, the policeman is "using" this person for some purpose. As a source of information, I think. The company (which is named in the 1st sentence of the report) has in fact already been sold to someone else. Maybe the policeman is pretending he doesn't know it has already been sold. Who knows??

Reference comments

7 hrs

Reference: Takticky získať informácie

Reference information:
According to my brother (policeman) that's what it means, but have no idea what it would be in English.

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Sorry, it shouldn't have been posted as reference.

Rad Graban (X)
United Kingdom
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Slovak
PRO pts in category: 12

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