13:29 Feb 5, 2011 

De acuerdo, por fin

13:22 Feb 5, 2011 

Did you see my comment to Robert though? It was not implied. I liked his explore and reconnoiter though, which I thought were both very appropriate.

I think we have now exhausted this topic

13:18 Feb 5, 2011 

and with regard to Oliver, I know he can be extremely rude, but I don't think sinking to his level is the answer.

13:16 Feb 5, 2011 

That's your interpretation, and you seem very sure of it. I was offering an alternative which I think is valid, especially if you think of it as a site or - as you implicitly accept in your agree with Robert - an area, both of which can have a perimeter.

I don't think we have enough context to know for sure who's right. Before answering, I nearly agreed with you before I gave my own answer, but then recent work I've been doing on medieval fortifications which uses 'trazo' a lot made me think again and see it in another light.

13:07 Feb 5, 2011 

Trazo has various meanings. Outline is one, (simple) line is another. The distinction between trazo and trazado is meangless here. A trazo gives rise to a trazado.

If instead of 'mineroducto' it had been the "Roman Road from Londinium to Cantabrium" would you still said 'perimeter'? The point being that whatever this mineroducto is it is still a 'ducto' and would run over a line or course.

As to your reference to O, you may be unaware of his rudeness both to me and others, recently calling a quite reasonable translation by a respected translator in this forum as 'a gross overtranslation' when disagreeing with it and also stating that he 'despised my judgement'. I'm afraid he is just getting what he so often dishes out.

12:57 Feb 5, 2011 

I'm sorry if you felt slighted in your professionalism, that was not my intention. But I felt you were rather pooh-poohing my and others' suggestions with dismissive or sarcastic (e.g to Oliver) comments, when you had clearly misread the key source word 'trazo' as 'trazado'.

I repeat that the primary DRAE definition of 'trazo' is:

Delineación con que se forma el diseño o planta de cualquier cosa.

In other words, an outline, not a course or layout, which I think in the context could legitimately be rendered as 'perimeter'.

I might be wrong, but I didn't appreciate your dismissive tone - or indeed find it very professional in the circumstances.

12:11 Feb 5, 2011 

I don't think it is actually relevant to the question whether it is an old or new 'mineroducto'. What actually irked me was the rather patronising suggestion that I should pay " a little more careful attention to the source, please." That was a rather rude attack on my professionalism. I was simply pointing out in a neutral comment, irrespective of misquoting trazo, that it would be highly unlikely that


"se procedió a realizar el recorrido ...... a pie del trazo del mineroducto"

would refer to 'a tour of the perimeter'.

Perimeter means, eg
margin: the boundary line or the area immediately inside the boundary
a line enclosing a plane areas
circumference: the size of something as given by the distance around it
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn,

in other words making a more or less circular tour. In this context I still maintain that perimeter would be an unnacceptable interpretation taking all the 'source' into account.

09:11 Feb 5, 2011 

This is both a Tech/Engineering and an Archaeology question. Bill may be right that it is about ancient mining. However, he may also be assuming: it could equally well be an archeological salvage operation on a modern engineering site. I don't know which it is, but I do know that assumptions are foolish. Perhaps the questioner could give us more context?

08:53 Feb 5, 2011 

Of course you're right about the authority of ProZ answers - I was just pointing out what came up last time to help guide us. I'm glad you agree that it could be some sort of pipeline: all I knew was that you thought it was something thin that ran in a line, which couldn't possibly have a perimeter. I don't really feel the need to see your bio, as you have already shared some of it here with us. But I do wonder about the relevance and do feel the best place for such details is the profile page. And by the way, as someone married to a senior legal adviser of more than 20 years experience, I'm not particularly impressed by what you chose to share with us about your past career, whether it gave you privileged insight into aggression or not.

20:44 Feb 4, 2011 

If you base your reasoning on the authority of ProZ answers you are deluding yourself. The few weeks I have poked into this forum have convinced me absolutely that Proz is a good source of suggestions for further consideration but cannot in any way be considered authoritative. The reason lies in that terms are selected by those who by definition understand them least. It has value but not as authority.


I am not sure of this but my common sense tells me that in the context of archeology we are probably talking about some sort of ancient mining, which in turn suggests that we are talking horizontal mining extraction runs where those of yore carried their ore or whatever along passages. They may be pipes or not.

Context is of course everything which explains why so many of the Proz answers are so blatantly wrong but I have learned translation by applying knowledge, intelligence and experience accumulated over a long lifetime. See my bio, which explains my position on this.

20:23 Feb 4, 2011 

There seems to be some disagreement about what this means. Our colleagues on ProZ decided it was some kind of pipeline, which other sources suggest runs underground:

http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/tech_engineerin...