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English translation: pointed horseshoe arch

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Spanish term or phrase:	arco túmido
English translation:	pointed horseshoe arch
Entered by:	Nikki Graham

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08:33 Nov 26, 2011

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Architecture / Historical architecture

Spanish term or phrase: arco túmido

Hello. This is from a text on a monastery in northern Spain with Mudejar architectural influences:

Iniciada la construcción en 1260, sus fábricas poseen elementos compositivos del repertorio arquitectónico “mudéjar”, arcos “túmidos”, arcos de herradura, frisos de “esquinilla”, ventanas gemelas sobre pilar “ochavado”, “arquivoltas”, cornisas en “nacelas”, etc.

I'm not convinced by "tumid arches" because the handful of examples that exist online are translations from Spanish. From this Wiki page it appears to be a sub-type of the "arco de herradura" (horseshoe arch), but I can't use this term as it comes next in the list in my text: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arco_de_herradura

Going in UK English

Thanks for your help
Simon

Simon Bruni KudoZ activity Questions: 575 (3 open) (10 without valid answers) (18 closed without grading) Answers: 1177 United Kingdom
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pointed horseshoe arch

Explanation:
Hi Simon. I have the following in my notes: El apuntado, un tanto hinchado en sus tercios; los centros de los arcos que lo forman están situados encima de la línea de impostas

I think the translation is correct, but I have no time to do any research today, sorry. HTH

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Nikki Graham
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4 +3

pointed horseshoe arch

Nikki Graham

4 +1

pointed horseshoe arch

Jenni Lukac

ogival arch

matt robinson

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pointed horseshoe arch	Charles Davis

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ogival arch

Explanation:
I think it's a possibility.

matt robinson
Spain
Local time: 03:52
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English

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Asker: Thanks for your help, Matt. I think Nikki has found the answer; the ogival arch doesn't have the bulbous top that the "arco túmido" seems to have.

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peer agreement (net): +3

pointed horseshoe arch

Nikki Graham
United Kingdom
Local time: 02:52
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English
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Asker: Thanks, Nikki. I thought I might hear from you on this one! Your contribution to the glossary in this field is second to none. An image search does seem to confirm your answer.

2 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

pointed horseshoe arch

Explanation:
This is a reasoned conjecture, but I believe that it would be a justifiable translation based on the sources below. Of course, one would always like five classic translation dictionaries to confirm a perfect match, but I haven't found one in either paper or online.

arco túmido - arco en forma de herradura apuntado (Tumidus –a –um = hinchado) from my architecture glossary compiled over time.

The horseshoe arch, also called the Moorish arch and the Keyhole arch, is the emblematic arch of Islamic architecture. They were formerly constructed in Visigothic Spain. Horseshoe arches can take rounded, pointed or lobed form. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_arch

Qantara - Great Mosque of Mahdiyya
www.qantara-med.org/.../show_document.php?...

The projecting entrance porch is composed of a pointed horseshoe arch resting on ... This is the first example of a projecting porch in Maghrebian religious architecture. ... Mudejar art, the heir to Islamic art in Spain, was to use this ornamentation ... The only original portico, the northern one, is a groin vaulted structure with ...;

Merriam Webster: Horseshoe Arch : an arch having an intrados that widens above the springing before narrowing to a rounded or pointed crown —

www.arct.cam.ac.uk/.../Vol 1 935-950%... -
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de L de Villanueva Domínguez - Artículos relacionados
arches with a noticeable span. From a more domestic perspective, we can find a pretty example of a pointed horseshoe arch at the Casa del Temple.
Some Mudejar palaces from the fourteenth century, which widely use Arabesque plaster claddings
show some arches difficult to classify. These are somehow in between stilted arches and horseshoe
arches. Precise equipment should be used to make a correct and proper drawing of these arches in
order to clarify this. One last example should be pointed out, that of a brick arch that appeared
during reconstruction works at the Town Hall. It appeared in the second bay, and due to the loss of
its springing course, it is difficult to state whether it is a horseshoe arch or not. Nevertheless, we are
inclined to think, that looking at the other characteristics it is definitely a horseshoe arch.
http://www.arct.cam.ac.uk/personal-page/james/ichs/Vol 1 935... The horseshoe, or Moorish, arch is represented in Fig. 53. The Alhambra, at Granada, Spain, has some of the best examples of this arch. Sometimes it is built with the intrados and extrados concentric, and also with the intrados having a horseshoe form, and the extrados a pointed form. The example given shows the latter method of construction. At a is shown the center for the horseshoe intrados; at b, b are the centers for the pointed extrados of the arch; c indicates the soffit of the horseshoe arch; d, the upper side of the arch ring; and e, the voussoirs. In all horseshoe arches the center is stilted far above the springing lines, to produce the required effect. This source gives a nice illustration I can't reproduce here, but if you have illustrations of the monastery you are describing, this might help: http://chestofbooks.com/architecture/Building-Construction-V...
I agree with you that authoritative sources for the use of 'tumid' aren't to be found. I've looked for a good confirmation of the term for several years but have never found it. Nevertheless, these sources often confirm the shape of the arch and that leads to the more conservative translation of 'pointed horseshoe':
The floor the has the gaps for the bells opens through twin tumid arches (in a pointed U-shape), accompanied by bands of arches and rhombuses. expozaragoza2008.es
[...] huecos para las campanas se abre mediante unos arcos túmidos gemelos (de herradura apuntado), acompañados de bandas de arcos y rombos. http://www.linguee.es/ingles-espanol/traduccion/tumy.html

Jenni Lukac
Local time: 03:52
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English
PRO pts in category: 68

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2 hrs

Reference: pointed horseshoe arch

Reference information:
Nikki's answer is definitely correct. Here is some support for it.

"En la arquitectura musulmana, el arco de herradura apuntado o arco túmido aparece desde el siglo X."
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arco_apuntado

"The horseshoe arch, also called the Moorish arch and the Keyhole arch, is the emblematic arch of Islamic architecture. They were formerly constructed in Visigothic Spain. Horseshoe arches can take rounded, pointed or lobed form."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_arch

"En el arte musulmán hay numerosas variantes de arcos, casi todas derivadas del arco de herradura, arcos de herradura apuntados (o túmidos), arcos lobulados (del siglo X en adelante), arcos entrelazados, arcos mixtilíneos, arcos cortina (que aparecen en el siglo XI) y angrelados-acampanados (desde el siglo XIV)."
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arco_de_herradura

Here is a very nice photo of some "arcos túmidos" in the King Hassan II Mosque in Casablanca (it is cited in the Wiki page just quoted with the caption "arco túmido"):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/95172615@N00/4310220

"GLOSARIO: ARCO TÚMIDO
Descripcion : Arco de herradura apuntado.
FOTO
San Martín Obispo de Valdilecha. Madrid."
http://www.1romanico.com/004/sitio2.asp?glosario=152

No need to go on, I think.

Charles Davis
Spain
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English
PRO pts in category: 52

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Asker: Thanks very much Charles, some convincing evidence.

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