elementos frásticos

16:11 Dec 15, 2011 

Please do not enter the accepted answer as a translation in the database, as it is not an accurate rendering of "elementos frásticos". TIA.

11:03 Dec 15, 2011 

Since it seems pretty obvious that the original author simply means "word order" and the "elementos frásticos" an unecessarily bombastic stylistic flourish....

11:26 Dec 12, 2011 

I'm sure all of us here know what we're talking about. I am also a native English speaker (who uses her married name) and I have a 5-year degree in English Philology. I'm sure that jakebcn's "paper for grammar correction" asks teachers to check whether students have put the Subject, Verb and Object is the right place. Nothing more. If other elements had been required, this would have been stated.

09:54 Dec 12, 2011 

I taught TEFL for 20 years before entering translation, hold the RSA DipTEFLA and am a native English speaker, with a degree in Russian and French. The discussion about SVO (word order or syntax) refers to certain aspects of the phrase or utterance but does not encompass all the phrasal elements. How individual trainers or commercial didactic materials choose to approach and present or describe the subject is another question entirely.

21:09 Dec 11, 2011 

This discussion has induced me to research the issue further :) Up until now I have been relying on my memory which, incidentally, isn't too bad in these matters as I find language and words fascinating. I have posted my answer below!

20:51 Dec 11, 2011 

...what you mean, Helena, but in all the books I've taught with what they mean by Word Order is what you call "Sentence building". Of course the fact that adjectives go before the noun is also about the order of words, but notice the example given is VSO

20:29 Dec 11, 2011 

Word order: The cat, black, big caught a mouse small in the attic old morning yesterday. The subject, verb, object and adverbials are in the correct place but word order in each phrase is wrong.
Sentence building: A small mouse yesterday morning caught in the old attic a big, black cat. The word order is correct in each phrase, but the phrases are in the wrong place.
My younger students love playing this game as they see how easy it is for them to make decent-length sentences with only a limited knowledge of vocabulary.

20:12 Dec 11, 2011 

for me its Subject (the big black cat) Verb (caught) Object (a small mouse) Place (in the attic) Time (yesterday morning). I have to remind my students not to put anything between verb and object, which they often do. (The cat caught in the attic the mouse)

19:56 Dec 11, 2011 

I have looked up "elementos frásticos" in google and the few hits there are are always about English language teaching, and it always says SVO (Suject verb Object)

19:52 Dec 11, 2011 

I am quite sure this is about worder, because SVO stands for Subject Verb Object. And this is an important part of the grammar curriculum in TESOL. It's especially difficult to pick up for Spanish students.

18:53 Dec 11, 2011 

And we're not talking about word order. We're discussing where to put each phrase: the big, black cat caught a small mouse in the old attic yesterday morning. I won't bother changing the word order as I'm sure you get my point.

18:43 Dec 11, 2011 

I have been teaching English as foreign language for many years. I think that elementos frasticos (my keyboard lacks the tilde) is as uncommon as phrastic elements. We're not talking about information for students, but information for teachers. And we all know that Spanish explanations are always rather high brow, for want of a better expression.