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Spanish: bravo (as in Rio Bravo)

English translation: fierce / wild / savage



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Spanish term or phrase:bravo (as in Rio Bravo)
English translation:fierce / wild / savage
Entered by:Roberto Hall
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Geography / rivers
Spanish term or phrase: bravo (as in Rio Bravo)
Hi,

Please could you tell me what the sense of the word “bravo” is in the place name “Rio bravo (del norte), which I believe is the Spanish name for what is known as the Rio Grande in the USA. No definition I can find seems to fit...

All the best,

Simon
SeiTT
United Kingdom
Clarification request(s) and response
Henry Hinds: 3:06pm Sep 24, 2007: Living on the banks of said river, I cannot say which English version I like best, but I can tell you that most of the time it is but a trickle, though it has claimed many lives.
Marina56: 3:44pm Sep 24, 2007: Río Bravo
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Para otros usos de este término véase Río Bravo (película).
Para otros usos de este término véase Río Grande.
Bravo


El Río Bravo en el Parque Nacional Big Bend

Marina56: 3:45pm Sep 24, 2007: Conocido como Río Grande en los Estados Unidos y como Río Bravo (o formalmente como el Río Bravo del Norte) en México, este río nace en las Montañas San Juan de Colorado, E.U., fluye a través del Valle de San Luis hacia el sur pasando por Nuevo México
Marina56: 3:46pm Sep 24, 2007: a través de Albuquerque y Las Cruces hacia El Paso, Texas, hasta llegar formar parte del límite entre México y Estados Unidos.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADo_Bravo
Marina56: 3:48pm Sep 24, 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Bravo (In English)
“Río Bravo” redirects here. For other uses, see Río Bravo (disambiguation).
For other uses, see Rio Grande (disambiguation).
Rio Grande
Map of the Rio Grande Watershed.
Origin southern Colorado,
Marina56: 3:49pm Sep 24, 2007: Known as the Rio Grande in the United States and as the Río Bravo (or, more formally, the Río Bravo del Norte) in Mexico, the river, 1,885 miles (3,034 km) long, is the third longest river system in the United States.[1]


Marina56: 3:49pm Sep 24, 2007: Espero te ayude

fierce / wild / savage
Explanation:
saludos

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Río Grande
(REE-oh GRAHN-day) ["large river" in Spanish] 1. A river more
than 1,800 miles long, originating in the mountains of Colorado,
forming the border between Texas and Mexico, and emptying into
the Gulf of Mexico. 2. Called the Río Bravo [Spanish for savage,
wild, or fierce river] in Mexico. 3. Anasazi region. Río Grande
River is actually redundant (large river river)
http://www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com/glosry2.htm
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Roberto Hall
Argentina
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muchas gracias, excelente
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Summary of answers provided
4 +2fierce / wild / savageRoberto Hall
4 +1wild, untamedreliablewriters
3 +1Rio Bravo del Norte (the fierce river of the North)
Robert Copeland
4wildCharmian Davies


  

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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
wild, untamed

Explanation:
“This activity builds a model of a section of the Middle Rio Grande Valley. Models are tools that help us understand complex systems by simplifying their components. In the model we call this old river Rio Bravo, which is the historic name for the Rio Grande meaning wild, brave - an untamed river. In contrast, we call the river that has been highly altered by humans Rio Manso. Manso is a Spanish word that means tamed, such as a horse that has been broken to riding…. In our model exercises, we call [this] third river Rio Nuevo - a new river that meets human constraints but provides a healthy ecosystem with as many of the Rio Bravo features as can be allowed….” http://www.nmnaturalhistory.org/BEG/TR_CR.html

“New Mexico’s principal river cuts a 1800 mile course through the largest desert in North America. Over the centuries, a dozen cultures and languages have christened it with names like "big river" - Po'soge, the "great river" - Río Grande, the "wild and brave river" - Río Bravo. http://www.unm.edu/~abqteach/rio_grande/01-07-00.htm



reliablewriters
Spain
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Richard Jenkins: untamed
1 min
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11 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
wild

Explanation:
This is what they call the rio grande in Mexico and is not normally translated.
Bravo in this context means wild.


Charmian Davies
Spain
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +2
fierce / wild / savage

Explanation:
saludos

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Note added at 14 mins (2007-09-24 14:56:09 GMT)
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Río Grande
(REE-oh GRAHN-day) ["large river" in Spanish] 1. A river more
than 1,800 miles long, originating in the mountains of Colorado,
forming the border between Texas and Mexico, and emptying into
the Gulf of Mexico. 2. Called the Río Bravo [Spanish for savage,
wild, or fierce river] in Mexico. 3. Anasazi region. Río Grande
River is actually redundant (large river river)
http://www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com/glosry2.htm

Roberto Hall
Argentina
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 4
Note from asker to answerer
muchas gracias, excelente

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Juan Jacob: Me gusta fierce. Como un guerrero bravo, un toro bravo.
26 mins
  -> Gracias, Juan

agree Taña Dalglish: I agree. I like "fierce". Un abrazo.
30 mins
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10 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Rio Bravo del Norte (the fierce river of the North)

Explanation:
According to this website, this was why it was named as such in Mexico. However, in most places, the river isn't that big or "fierce" at all. I'm not sure if I agree with this!!!!

http://videoindex.pbs.org/resources/usmexwar/lesplans/ep1_c7...

In Mexico, the Rio Grande was called the Rio Bravo del Norte (the fierce river of the North). There are dangerous, swirling currents near Matamoros where the river water pushes toward the Gulf of Mexico.





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I do agree that near Matamoros the current are stronger and the river becomes more intense. In this sense, I could see what they are talking about......
As for the "wild" as suggested by several others, I would have to disagree with this. Other than several Western movies, especially one in particular with John Wayne..... this is not this most widely known connotation of "Bravo" as used here!!!!!!

Robert Copeland
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Marina56: The name of the movie es: Rio Bravo//http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Bravo La explicación se la puse a SeiTT
50 mins
  -> Muchas Gracias Marina!!!!!
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