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English translation: independent ships (ships not included in the fleets)

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Spanish term or phrase:	navíos sueltos
English translation:	independent ships (ships not included in the fleets)
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06:10 Nov 27, 2009

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Social Sciences - History / Peru, trade, late 18th century

Spanish term or phrase: navíos sueltos

This is from an article about trade between Spain and Peru in the late 18th century. Here is the full sentence:

El primer punto de inflexión llegó con el inicio de la guerra contra Gran Bretaña en 1739 y la obligada sustitución del sistema de flotas y galeones (temporal para el comercio con Nueva España, permanente para el del Mar del Sur) por un sistema mucho más flexible de navíos sueltos.

Should "navíos" be "vessels" or "ships"--and does it matter? And what do I do with "sueltos"? I've thought of "free," "independent," "free-ranging," but none of them satisfies me.

Thanks for any help and advice you can give me.

JaneTranslates KudoZ activity Questions: 120 (none open) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 486 Puerto Rico
Local time: 23:45

independent/single ships (ships not included in the fleets)

Explanation:
Havana and the Atlantic in the sixteenth century - Resultado de la Búsqueda de libros de Googlede Alejandro de la Fuente, César García del Pino ... - 2008 - History - 287 páginas
In an effort to curb this competition, the merchants of Seville repeatedly requested the crown to prohibit the so-called navíos sueltos, independent ships ...
books.google.es/books?isbn=0807831921...

Redes mercantiles y formación de la familia en el comercio ... A partir de entonces fueron navíos sueltos, más conocidos como registros sueltos, los que llevaron las mercancías a las colonias. Además, en el caso del ...
nuevomundo.revues.org/index20162.html - En caché
de X Lamikiz - 2008 - Artículos relacionados

PDF] Reconstructing the North Atlantic atmospheric circulation in the ... - [ Traducir esta página ] Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
(2) Using 'navios sueltos', which were those ships not included in the fleets and whose number was large every year. (3) Using 'avisos', which were mail ...
www.int-res.com/articles/cr/14/c014p147.pdf - Similares
de R García - 2000 - Citado por 15 - Artículos relacionados - Las 2 versiones

PDF] Reconstructing the North Atlantic atmospheric circulation in the ... - [ Traducir esta página ] Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
(2) Using 'navios sueltos', which were those ships not included in the fleets and whose number was large every year. (3) Using 'avisos', which were mail ...
www.int-res.com/articles/cr/14/c014p147.pdf - Similares
de R García - 2000 - Citado por 15 - Artículos relacionados - Las 2 versiones

[PDF] Anarchy and Autarky: Endogenous Predation as a Barrier to Trade - [ Traducir esta página ] Formato de archivo: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Vista rápida
Figure 1 displays the decline in the number of ships sailing westward each year. .... There is little evidence of an increase in independent shipping and a ... Single vessels (“navíos sueltos”) seem to have been restricted ...
fmwww.bc.edu/ec-p/WP383.pdf
de JE Anderson - 2005 - Citado por 21 - Artículos relacionados

Selected response from:

Smartranslators
Local time: 04:45

Grading comment

I'm definitely going with "independent ships." Thank you, Smartranslators! Once I knew what to look for, I found that this is the phrase most frequently used by historians in this context.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +4

independent/single ships (ships not included in the fleets)

Smartranslators

4 +1

loose OR unattached ships

Gilla Evans

non-fleet ships/vessels

Marcelo González

ships not detailed

elherrera

individual ships

margaret caulfield

Separate ships

Gad Kohenov

ships sailing alone

Vicky Rengifo

Answers

9 mins confidence:

individual ships

Explanation:
Please see the following, among many others:

[PDF] ISPS CODE CHECK SHEET FOR INDIVIDUAL SHIPSFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View
IMO International Ship and Port Facility Security (ISPS) Code. Check Sheet for Individual Ships. ICS Interpretation of Security Requirements to be Fulfilled ...
www.marisec.org/isps/isps-checklist.pdf - Similar
Category:Individual ship or boat stubs - Wikipedia, the free ...Pages in category "Individual ship or boat stubs". The following 197 pages are in this category, out of 854 total. This list may not reflect recent changes ...
en.wikipedia.org/.../Category:Individual_ship_or_boat_stubs - Cached - Similar
Amazon.com: 20. Some GREAT books on Individual Ships:There are ships and there are “great” ships. Some, such as the Bismarck, were built to be great. Others, such as the Ohio, had greatness thrust upon them.
www.amazon.com/Some...Individual-Ships/lm/R2Y59B754F7G6W - Cached
Open Directory - Science: Social Sciences: Archaeology: Topics ...HMS Culloden - Wikipedia article on this Royal Navy ship of the line which was run aground in 1781 at Culloden Point, ... "Individual Ships" search on: ...
www.dmoz.org/Science/Social.../Shipwrecks/Individual_Ships/ - Cached
Navy Ship: Research onSources For Individual Ship Study. Naval Historical Center, 805 Kidder ... Holds deck logs of individual commissioned ships from 1941 to the year that is ...
www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq27-1.htm - Cached - Similar
Port Cities: - Individual ShipsThis section looks at some of the famous ships and vessels that are associated with Liverpool and the Mersey including the Lusitania, Resurgam, ...
www.mersey-gateway.org/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.1046 - Cached
LINKS TO INDIVIDUAL SHIPSHistory of Ships and Navies · Contact US · Navy Links · Join our Navy History Discussion List. Other Sites. HistoryShopping.com · Navalshopping.com ...
www.historycentral.com/Navy/Links/Ships.html - Cached

N.B. "Individual vessels" has a totally different meaning.

margaret caulfield
Local time: 04:45
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks, Margaret. I appreciate your time and your answer. I think that most of your references are from other contexts, however. Have a great weekend!

1 hr confidence:

Separate ships

Explanation:
Possibly.

Gad Kohenov
Local time: 05:45
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 32

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your answer, desertfox.

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +4

independent/single ships (ships not included in the fleets)

Smartranslators
Local time: 04:45
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 27

Grading comment

I'm definitely going with "independent ships." Thank you, Smartranslators! Once I knew what to look for, I found that this is the phrase most frequently used by historians in this context.

2 hrs confidence:

ships not detailed

Explanation:
or ships unassigned (to task/mission x)

i.e., ships not given an assignment to a particular group of warships, especially a relatively large group, but rather ships available to be assigned to a particular task or mission individually and possibly not as part of a group of warships.

http://www.ussbrewton.com/wwwboard/messages/496.html

The targeting message — “Indigo” — will **detail** assignments for the entire strike. ....

Re "detailers" assigning individual sailors to tasks suitable to their training/abilities and to the Navy -

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=9232

Master Chief Information Specialist Jerita Kearnes advises Sailors during a recent *detailer*visit to Naval Support Activity Bahrain
...
*Detailers* from Navy Personnel Command, assisted Sailors making important career decisions and follow-on assignments. U.S. Navy photo by Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Veronica Birmingham.

Detailers Go One-on-One at Naval Support Activity Bahrain ...
By Photographer's Mate 2nd Class Veronica Birmingham, Commander U.S. Naval Forces Central Command/Commander, 5th Fleet Public Affairs

MANAMA, Bahrain (NNS) -- More than a dozen enlisted *detailers* from Commander, Navy Personnel Command, Millington, Tenn., came to Naval Support Activity (NSA), Bahrain this week for one-on-one detailing with Sailors.

*Detailers have the unique job of tracking manning needs throughout the Navy and matching Sailors with the right jobs*. Equally important is their responsibility to show Sailors the best career path to follow for advancement.

in a similar vein, from the Phillippines

http://ovcre.uplb.edu.ph/index.php/staff-development/57-spec...

*Special detail assignment* to outside agencies (full-time or part-time)
Guidelines on Staff Development
As part of the university's commitment to support other agencies that need technical assistance, other faculty members or REPS are **allowed to work under *special detail arrangements** without taking a leave of absence from the university. Under this scheme, they still receive their regular pay from the university while getting additional remuneration from the agency *where they will be detailed.* They may be given attractive compensation package in case they no longer get their pay from the university.

And on an individual level on the civilian side -

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:U2K5ULrsVOYJ:georgewbush...

These employees, on loan from their sponsoring
agencies, work with permanent OMB staff on a non-reimbursable *detail assignment* for two to
three months. *This year's detail* is expected to commence in February 2009. Annual leave
during this assignment will be severely limited and some overtime, including weekend work, is
likely...

See also, Navy lore, refers to a special assignment of personnel, away from the main body, outside of the otherwise normal gamut of assignments. Detail = an assignment of personnel (a group) to accomplish a specific task/mission -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Detail

*The Last Detail* is a 1973 American comedy-drama film directed by Hal Ashby with a screenplay adapted by Robert Towne from a novel of the same name by Daryl Ponicsan. ...

It tells the story of two U.S. Navy Sailors (played by Jack Nicholson and Otis Young) who are assigned shore patrol duty to escort a young sailor (Randy Quaid) to Portsmouth Naval Prison. ...

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Perhaps some variation of this, "unassigned," "available for assignment," "non-committed,"

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Note added at 3 hrs (2009-11-27 09:16:28 GMT)
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"autonomous" in various senses - in command, or self-sufficient in supply, etc. - comes to mind too.

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"detached"/ "detachment" -

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/detachment

detachment
- 3 dictionary results

1. the act of detaching.
2. the condition of being detached.
3. aloofness, as from worldly affairs or from the concerns of others.
4. freedom from prejudice or partiality.
5. the act of sending out a detached force of troops or naval ships.
6. the body of troops or ships so detached.
Origin:
1660–70; < F détachement. See detach, -ment

http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/escorts/de152.txt

At about 0900 on 7 May 1942, a lone Japanese plane spotted the two detached ships, and three heavy enemy attacks followed during the day. ...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/detachment

de·tach·ment (d-tchmnt)
n.
...

5.
a. The dispatch of a military unit, such as troops or ships, from a larger body for a special duty or mission.
b. The unit so dispatched.
c. A permanent unit, usually smaller than a platoon, organized for special duties.

elherrera
Local time: 19:45
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thanks for your research and your answer, Edward. Your phrase would certainly work elsewhere, but I decided it was too military for my context--the fleet was being used as a merchant marine. Have a great weekend!

3 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

loose OR unattached ships

Explanation:
This seems to be the expression used in naval warfare histories

e.g. http://www.scribd.com/doc/16837951/Routledge-Medieval-Naval-...

and

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16837951/Routledge-Medieval-Naval-...

also the origin of the expression "loose ships sink lips"

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Note added at 4 hrs (2009-11-27 10:56:23 GMT)
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sorry, noticed I posted the same reference twice, below is another one, and here is an example of the use of "unattached" compared to ships of the fleet:

"To keep the progress of events clearly in mind it should
be remembered there were four main mutinies : (i) that
of the Channel Fleet at Spithead, 3rd to I7th April ; (2) a
second one in the same fleet at St. Helens, 24th April to
7th May; (3) a mutiny amongst the unattached ships
at Sheerness and the Nore, which began to shew itself
on 1 2th May ; and (4) the sympathetic mutiny of
Duncan's North Sea fleet which after various premonitory
symptoms finally declared itself at Yarmouth on 27th May,
by most of the ships deserting him and joining those at
the Nore. There was also a minor outbreak at Plymouth
in Commodore Warren's cruiser squadron which was
based at that port and Falmouth."

Gilla Evans
Local time: 03:45
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

Notes to answerer

Asker: Gilla, I was very tempted by "unattached"! In fact, I typed it into my translation. But I've since confirmed that "independent" is the established choice. I'm saving "unattached" to use in later descriptive passages. Thank you! "Loose ships sink lips"--ROFL!

7 hrs confidence:

ships sailing alone

Explanation:
not sure if there is a specific term for this concept, but here's something that might work

Reference: http://www.google.com.co/search?hl=es&q=%22ships+sailing+alo...

Vicky Rengifo
Colombia
Local time: 22:45
Native speaker of:

Spanish

Notes to answerer

Asker: Thank you for your answer, Vicky, and have a great weekend.

1 day2 hrs confidence:

non-fleet ships/vessels

Explanation:
I think one of these might be a good option.

Good luck, Jane, and regards from the Northern Mariana Islands!

type of vessel) to **non-fleet vessels**. There is then a second discharge location at the receiving area where fish from the ...
www.searef.com/pdf/40wf_Aug05.pdf

Web Owls » Blog Archive » Greece – The Arrival -
Because of the Emperor's presence with the fleet, all **non-fleet vessels** in proximity are considered possible dangers. The Romans have a knack for acting ...
http://web-owls.com/2006/06/19/greece-the-arrival/ - En caché

Resultados 1 - 10 de aproximadamente 5,550 de "non-fleet ships". (0.30 segundos)
http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&rlz=1T4GGLL_esNL323NL323&...

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Hi Jane: A Google search of .mil sites suggests that the use of "non-fleet" to refer to resources, in general, that do not belong to a fleet, as such, is quite common. Whether this is a historically suitable term, might be another question, but it seems to be used by the US military today.

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Hi Jane! Yes, I do get around; you only live once, as they say. :-) My pleasure to help! Of the other options, "independent" is probably the best one, especially for a non-specialist audience (assuming that such an audience might be your target here). :-)

Marcelo González
North Mariana Isl.
Local time: 13:45
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 12

Notes to answerer

Asker: Hey, Marcelo! Northern Marianas--you do get around! Thanks for the answer and the research. I got lots of good options for this one--I might use "non-fleet" for later references.

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