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Nueva España

English translation: New Spain


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Spanish term or phrase:Nueva España
English translation:New Spain
Entered by: sarahca
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06:18 Nov 27, 2009
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Social Sciences - History / Peru, trade, late 18th century
Spanish term or phrase: Nueva España
This is from an article about trade between Spain and Peru in the late 18th century. Here is the full sentence:

El primer punto de inflexión llegó con el inicio de la guerra contra Gran Bretaña en 1739 y la obligada sustitución del sistema de flotas y galeones (temporal para el comercio con Nueva España, permanente para el del Mar del Sur) por un sistema mucho más flexible de navíos sueltos.

Am I right in thinking that "Nueva España" and "Mar del Sur" refer to the specific FLEETS or Armadas by those names, not to geographical regions? If I'm wrong about that, I have to re-think this entire section! I know that Armadas with those names existed, and it seems to me that the author is describing a temporary change to one of them, for the sake of trade, and a permanent change to the other. However, I keep thinking that maybe the reference is to trade WITH Nueva España and WITH Mar del Sur. Help!

I assume that if the reference is to the name of the fleet, I don't need to translate that name. If it's a geographical region, I do. Right?


Thanks in advance!
JaneTranslates
Puerto Rico
Local time: 16:26
New Spain
Explanation:
No I'm pretty sure that they're talking about the region here.

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Note added at 5 mins (2009-11-27 06:24:01 GMT)
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The British were giving the Spanish a lot of trouble at the time and so they had to renew the fleets for trade with New Spain.

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Note added at 5 mins (2009-11-27 06:24:47 GMT)
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but in actual fact, after that they never regained they're former trade with New Spain ;)

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Note added at 6 mins (2009-11-27 06:25:04 GMT)
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sorry that's their not they're!!!

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sarahca
Local time: 14:26
Grading comment
You were first, and you answered my actual question (fleet or region). Thank you!
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer



Summary of answers provided
4 +5New Spainmargaret caulfield
4 +3New Spainsarahca
Summary of reference entries provided
The geography
Gad Kohenov
The Treasure Fleet
Isabel Teodoro

  

Answers


3 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +3
New Spain


Explanation:
No I'm pretty sure that they're talking about the region here.

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Note added at 5 mins (2009-11-27 06:24:01 GMT)
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The British were giving the Spanish a lot of trouble at the time and so they had to renew the fleets for trade with New Spain.

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Note added at 5 mins (2009-11-27 06:24:47 GMT)
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but in actual fact, after that they never regained they're former trade with New Spain ;)

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Note added at 6 mins (2009-11-27 06:25:04 GMT)
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sorry that's their not they're!!!



sarahca
Local time: 14:26
Works in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Grading comment
You were first, and you answered my actual question (fleet or region). Thank you!

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Kate Major: Yep.
3 mins
  -> thanks Kate
agree  Amani Harrison
2 hrs
  -> Thanks Amani
agree  Jenni Lukac
3 hrs
  -> thanks Jenni
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6 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +5
New Spain


Explanation:
Please see the following, among others:

Viceroyalty of New Spain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThe Viceroyalty of New Spain (Spanish: Virreinato de Nueva España), was the first of four viceroyalties created to govern Spain's lands in the North and ...

History - Politics - Economy - Demographics
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viceroyalty_of_New_Spain - Cached - Similar
Spanish colonization of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free ...Spain's administration of its colonies in the Americas was divided into the Viceroyalties of New Spain and Peru. In the 18th century, the Viceroyalty of ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_colonization_of_the_Americas - Cached - Similar

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NEW SPAIN: The Frontiers of FaithNew Spain: The Frontiers of Faith THE TRIAL OF DIEGO LÓPEZ. Games. New Spain Vocabulary. Learning Activities: Notes for Teachers Learning Activity ...
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New Spain – Old Horrors. The plunder of the empires of the Americas.But in 1580 Philip II of Spain also became king of Portugal, making the papal global carve-up somewhat academic and Spanish claims to the Americas total. ...
www.jesusneverexisted.com/new-spain.html - Cached - Similar
New Spain-IndexIndex to the DeWitt Colony Region under New Spain.
www.tamu.edu/ccbn/dewitt/Spaincon.htm - Cached - Similar
Provinces of New Spain1697 Missions erected in Baja California, part of New Spain (Nueva España). ..... 1787 Intendencia of San Luis Potosí, part of New Spain. ...
www.worldstatesmen.org/Mexico_spanish_provinces.html - Cached - Similar
Timeline results for New Spain1540 AT Compostela, on February 21, 1540, Coronado presented a petition to the viceroy Mendoza, declaring that he had observed that certain persons who ...
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1821 The commander of New Spain left Cadiz for America on May 20, 1821, accompanied only by a few military officers.
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margaret caulfield
Local time: 21:26
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you, Margaret. Have a great weekend!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Thayenga
1 hr
  -> Thanks, Thayenga!
agree  Maria Luz Ochoa de Olza Velasco: Spain didn't have "fleets" the way the US do, it had "la flota." The term is about the regions and Margaret's answer is impressively well-rehearsed.
4 hrs
  -> Thanks, Maria Luz!
agree  spaniard89
9 hrs
  -> Thanks, spaniard!
agree  Emma Ratcliffe
12 hrs
  -> Thanks, Emma!
agree  Richard Boulter: My 'agree' here is for the excellent refs. Pretty quick Answer, too... :)
18 hrs
  -> Many thanks, Richard!
neutral  sarahca: I had already given this answer.
2 days14 hrs
  -> Sarahca, you obviously gave this anwer while I was looking for references. No answer had been given when I was doing so or when I did. You were given the points anyway, so what's the problem?
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Reference comments


54 mins peer agreement (net): +1
Reference: The geography

Reference information:
New Spain
The Viceroyalty of New Spain was the name of the viceroy-ruled territories of the Spanish Empire in Asia, North America, South America, and its peripheries from 1535 to 1821.
New Spain's territory included what is the Bay Islands (until 1643), Cayman Islands (until 1670), Central America (as far as the southern border of Costa Rica until 1821), Cuba, Florida, Hispaniola (including Haiti until 1697), Jamaica (until 1655) Mariana Islands, Mexico, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Trinidad (until 1797) nearly all of the southwest United States (including all or parts of the modern-day U.S. states of California, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Florida), and claims as far north as British Columbia and Alaska, but the northern boundary of New Spain was redefined by the Adams-Onís Treaty of 1819. For at least part of its existence, New Spain also included Venezuela.

Gad Kohenov
Israel
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in FrenchFrench, Native in HebrewHebrew
PRO pts in category: 32
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thanks for this reference, desertfox. You wouldn't believe how many English-language sources I consulted equated New Spain with just Mexico! I knew better, but this is very helpful.


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
agree  Richard Boulter: Great overview! Thanks Desertfox.
17 hrs
  -> Thanks a lot~! :))
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3 hrs
Reference: The Treasure Fleet

Reference information:
I think you are right thinking that this refers to a fleet, in the links below you can read the following:

"The 1715 Treasure Fleet refers to one of the Spanish treasure fleets returning from the New World to Spain.[…] The principal elements of the fleet, known as the Nueva España (New Spain, i.e., Mexico) Fleet, had gone to Veracruz in Mexico to deliver…"

"Two great convoys were organized to transport the treasure. The Tierra Firme fleet would visit Cartagena and Nombre de Dios. The Nueva España fleet would go to Vera Cruz.[…]
The Nueva España fleet always had at least two heavily armed galleons…"

I hope this helps!


    Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1715_Treasure_Fleet
    Reference: http://www.bruceruiz.net/PanamaHistory/treasure_fleet.htm
Isabel Teodoro
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Spanish
Note to reference poster
Asker: Thank you, Isabel, for making me feel less ignorant! I DID, indeed, find many references in both English and Spanish to different fleets or flotas, including "Nueva España" and "Mar del Sur." But further research on my own, plus the answerers given, have convinced me that the reference is to the regions. Good references--they will be useful throughout this project. Have a great weekend!


Peer comments on this reference comment (and responses from the reference poster)
disagree  coolbrowne: Sorry: though such fleets did exist, the fragment "...comercio con Nueva España..." rules out this interpretation.
14 hrs
agree  Richard Boulter: Since the refs demonstrate that the query term was, in fact, used to refer to the military-escorted trading fleet (not the overall military armada), naturally it would be common-usage for people in the trade to refer each fleet to its operational range.
15 hrs
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