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comenzaron a desarrollarse ideologías obreristas

English translation: came the cultivation of working-class ideologies

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Spanish term or phrase:	comenzaron a desarrollarse ideologías obreristas
English translation:	came the cultivation of working-class ideologies
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23:55 Jan 9, 2012

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Social Sciences - History / Argentine history

Spanish term or phrase: comenzaron a desarrollarse ideologías obreristas

Hola!

Esto tiene que ver con historia, y la oración dice así: A partir del desarrollo de la actividad sindical, comenzaron a desarrollarse ideologías obreristas que se expresaron orgánicamente el la Primera Asociación Internacional de Trabajadores en 1864.

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came the cultivation of workers’ ideologies

Explanation:
One way to say it.

With the development of union activity, came the cultivation of workers’ ideologies...
or
With the development of union activity, workers’ ideologies were cultivated...

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Note added at 41 mins (2012-01-10 00:37:04 GMT)
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Onset could work well instead of "development"

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Note added at 4 days (2012-01-14 18:00:18 GMT) Post-grading
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I'm not knocking the points -thanks BTW- but I have change workers' to "working-class" as per Charles' answer. See below!

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rich.
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Local time: 21:29

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5 +3

workers' ideologies began to develop

Fabiana Yampolsky

4 +2

came the cultivation of workers’ ideologies

rich.

4 +1

led to the development of working-class ideologies

Charles Davis

workers' ideologies began to evolve

Maya Conlon-Kremer

there emerged ideologies in favour of workers' rights

Deborah Lockett

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38 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +3

workers' ideologies began to develop

Explanation:
Good luck!

Fabiana Yampolsky
Local time: 23:29
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Spanish

2 hrs confidence:

workers' ideologies began to evolve

Explanation:
Another option for translating "desarrollarse" is "evolve" - this implies that ideologies of some sort existed before the development of union activity, but they became more complex and intricate after.

Maya Conlon-Kremer
Local time: 21:29
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PRO pts in category: 4

9 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

led to the development of working-class ideologies

Explanation:
I would turn the sentence round like this, avoiding the clumsy repetition of "desarrollo/desarrollarse" in the original:

"The rise of trade union activity led to the development of working-class ideologies, which...".

If you do it like this, moreover, the last part of the sentence follows more smoothly.

There are several valid possibilities for "comenzaron a desarrollarse". I think "develop" (or "development" in my version) is the only really suitable word, and "ideologías" has to be "ideologies" (particularly in this proto-Marxist context), but the main thing here is that I think "obreristas" should be "working-class", not just "workers'", partly to avoid the straight repetition of "workers" just afterwards in "Trabajadores", but also because it's a more suitable term.

We are dealing here with the origins of international communism. The 1864 meeting in St Martin's Hall, London, was the beginning of the so-called First International, known in English as the International Workingmen's Association (IWA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workingmen's_Asso...

The first article in its statutes was: "Que la emancipación de la clase obrera debe ser lograda sólo por la clase obrera".
http://www.pcmle.org/EM/article.php3?id_article=3286
It was very consciously a class-based movement, with a fundamental concept of the working class. I think this term should be used for "obrerista".

"This so-called obrerista (working-class) literature was characterized by Jose Llunas as a genre that "lacked precise expression, sparkling characters"
George Richard Esenwein, Anarchist ideology and the working-class movement in Spain, 1868-1898, 127
http://books.google.es/books?id=13Hck24xgHUC&pg=PA127&lpg=PA...

"Los "obreristas" consideraban a la clase obrera como principal motor de lucha contra la dictadura"
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patxi_Iturrioz

Charles Davis
Local time: 04:29
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PRO pts in category: 56

12 hrs confidence:

there emerged ideologies in favour of workers' rights

Explanation:
previously the rights had been held by the employers and the workers had none: now for the first time they banded together to claim their rights in relation to the employers -- rights as to dismissal, working hours, etc.

Deborah Lockett
Local time: 03:29
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PRO pts in category: 82

18 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

came the cultivation of workers’ ideologies

rich.
Mexico
Local time: 21:29
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PRO pts in category: 16

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