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plena prueba entre ellos y contra ellos

English translation: full proof relating to them both individually and jointly

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21:33 Feb 1, 2012

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Law/Patents - Law: Contract(s)

Spanish term or phrase: plena prueba entre ellos y contra ellos

From a Venezuelan proceedings against a mining company:

La accionante anexó al escrito del recurso contencioso administrativo de nulidad copia simple del Libro de Accionistas de XXXXXX, C.A., que está constituido por anotaciones suscritas por los socios con alguna representación de la directiva de la compañía, las cuales hacen plena prueba entre ellos y contra ellos, anotaciones estas precedidas -conditio sine qua non de validez- por la inscripción, foliatura, sello y firma autorizada del Registro Mercantil, en este caso, por el Registro Mercantil de la Circunscripción Judicial del Estado Bolívar, Puerto Ordaz, en fecha 3 de octubre de 1997.

spanruss KudoZ activity Questions: 1216 (7 open) (1 without valid answers) (93 closed without grading) Answers: 217
Local time: 03:06

English translation:full proof relating to them both individually and jointly

Explanation:
I don't think this is about evidence "against" anybody - it's "against" their names in a list of shareholders.

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AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:06

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This is the only suggestion that sounds plausible. Thanks AllegroTrans
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Summary of answers provided

full proof between them and against them

Erika Di Dio

full proof relating to them both individually and jointly

AllegroTrans

conclusive evidence .. [between them and against them]

Taña Dalglish

Discussion entries: 1

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32 mins confidence:

full proof between them and against them

Explanation:
do you think this would be ok?

Erika Di Dio
Local time: 09:06
Native speaker of:

Italian

Notes to answerer

Asker: Doesn't seem to make sense in literal English. I assume "them" are the "socios", but what would "between" mean in this limited context? Something is implied here, and I can't put my finger on it.

1 hr confidence:

full proof relating to them both individually and jointly

Explanation:
I don't think this is about evidence "against" anybody - it's "against" their names in a list of shareholders.

AllegroTrans
United Kingdom
Local time: 08:06
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 306

Grading comment

This is the only suggestion that sounds plausible. Thanks AllegroTrans

38 mins confidence:

conclusive evidence .. [between them and against them]

Explanation:
Another suggestion:

hara prueba plena > conclusive evidence
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27 Jul 2002 – English translation: conclusive evidence ... la confesion judicial hecha en la demanda, hara prueba plena sin necesidad de ... 4, Full proof ...
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish_to_english/law_patents/243...

hacen prueba plena > constitute conclusive evidence
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27 Jul 2002 – Spanish term or phrase: hacen prueba plena. English translation: constitute conclusive evidence. Entered by: Gail ...

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Spanruss:

Plena prueba "entre ellos y contra ellos". My understanding is that "entre ellos" is either "between" or "among" and referring to the "socios", depending on the number of parties to the suit (you have the full text in front of you to determine the appropriate wording. Between is for two parties, and if more, then among (I think?).

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Note added at 1 hr (2012-02-01 23:16:21 GMT)
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... it may then be better to say **"conclusive evidence for and against them"** (that way it gets around the no. of "socios".

Taña Dalglish
Jamaica
Local time: 02:06
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 98

Notes to answerer

Asker: Again, what would "between" be implying?

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