lenguaje, lengua y habla

English translation: language, langue and parole

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Spanish term or phrase:	lenguaje, lengua y habla
English translation:	language, langue and parole
Entered by:	Graciela Vicente

15:25 Jul 4, 2007

Spanish to English translations [PRO]
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Spanish term or phrase: lenguaje, lengua y habla

Por favor podrían ayudarme a traducir lenguaje y lengua. Las tengo en una misma línea

Peggy Cornejo

language, langue and parole

Explanation:
"la lengua y el habla" according to the Oxford bilingual is langue and parole. Good luck!

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Description
Langue and parole are more than just 'language and speech' (although this is a useful quick way of remembering them).

Langue
La langue is the whole system of language that precedes and makes speech possible. A sign is a basic unit of langue.

Learning a language, we master the system of grammar, spelling, syntax and punctuation. These are all elements of langue.

Langue is a system in that it has a large number of elements whereby meaning is created in the arrangements of its elements and the consequent relationships between these arranged elements.

Parole
Parole is the concrete use of the language, the actual utterances. It is an external manifestation of langue. It is the usage of the system, but not the system.

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The context is in the field of linguistic according to the asker , is it not?

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Graciela Vicente
Local time: 07:30

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Summary of answers provided

4 +2

language, tongue and speech

neilmac

language and speech, language and parole

translatol

4 +1

language, langue and parole

Graciela Vicente

speech, language and way of speaking

Elizabeth Joy Pitt de Morales

Answers

42 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

language, tongue and speech

Explanation:
In linguistics.

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TONGUE: (language) lengua f, idioma m; mother/native tongue lengua materna/nativa; the gift of tongues el don de lenguas; to speak in tongues hablar en lenguas desconocidas
SPEECH: peech / spi:tS / n
1 a [u] (act) habla f‡; we communicate through speech nos comunicamos mediante el habla; freedom of speech libertad f de expresión or de palabra
b [u] (faculty) habla f‡; to recover one’s speech recuperar el habla; to lose the power of
speech perder* el habla; (before n) speech defect defecto m del habla or de
pronunciación; speech impediment impedimento m del habla
c [u] (manner of speaking) forma f de hablar
d [u c] (language, dialect) habla f‡; in casual speech en el habla coloquial; (before n) a speech community una comunidad lingüística

neilmac
Spain
Local time: 00:00
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 32

44 mins confidence:

speech, language and way of speaking

Explanation:
Here are some general ideas, what I can remember from reading de Saussure...

"Lengua" is "language" as in Spanish, English...

"Lenguaje" is an individual's (or group's) particular use of language ("lengua"). For example, "doctorspeak", "lawyerese", or text/chat messages written in a kind of code.

"Habla" is the ability to speak or a way of speaking. For example, "you can tell where he comes from by his way of speaking" (su habla/forma de hablar).

Hope it helps...

:-)

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After I read neilmac's comment, I took a moment to look up de Saussure on Wiki. If we agree that "parole" is "lenguaje", then:

"Parole (the speech of an individual) is an external manifestation of language."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_de_Saussure

Elizabeth Joy Pitt de Morales
Local time: 00:00
Native speaker of:

English

1 hr confidence:

language and speech, language and parole

Explanation:
These are technical terms in structural linguistics as taught by Ferdinand de Saussure. 'Lenguaje' means language in general and 'lengua' means a particular language, both of these as *systems* of grammar and vocabulary. 'Parole' means *actual language production*. For more information, see the Web references.

The standard translations of 'lengua y habla' are 'language and speech' or 'language and parole'. The problem remains that English doesn't have separate words for 'lengua' and 'lenguaje'. However, Saussure talked mainly of the dichotomy between 'langue' and 'parole' (he was using French of course), so one solution would be to drop 'lenguaje' here. Otherwise I see no alternative to 'language in general', 'specific languages' and 'actual speech/parole'.

Reference: http://www.litencyc.com/php/stopics.php?rec=true&UID=662
Reference: http://www.aber.ac.uk/media/Documents/S4B/sem01.html

translatol
Local time: 23:00
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 8

27 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

language, langue and parole

Graciela Vicente
Local time: 07:30
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 8

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