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English translation: personalist(ic) mysticism







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Spanish term or phrase:mística/misticismo
English translation:personalist(ic) mysticism
Entered by:Joaquim Siles-Borràs
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Spanish term or phrase: mística/misticismo
I have a little problem with the term "mística", as a noun, not as an adjective.

If we were to translate "La mística personalista de Kierkegaard", which term would we use in english to translate "mística".

I know that an easy way of solving the problem would be to use "mysticims". However, misticismo y mística are not exactly the same, so I'd rather not use mysticism in this sentence.

so, my question really is: would it be possible to use "mystic" as a noun in English?

Any ideas?

Thanks a lot.
Regards,
Joaquim
Joaquim Siles-Borràs
United Kingdom
Clarification request(s) and response
patricia scott: 2:13pm Feb 9, 2007: Hello Quim. yes, mystic can be a noun in English, but used only:
6. a person who claims to attain, or believes in the possibility of attaining, insight into mysteries transcending ordinary human knowledge, as by direct communication with the divine .
patricia scott: 2:18pm Feb 9, 2007: Take a look at Wikipedia´s definition of Kierkegaard - the word mysticism or mystic are rarely mentioned there, or, as a matter of fact, in any of his biographies - mostly "theological theories" or "Christian existentialism". Funny.
liz askew: 9:56am Feb 14, 2007: Bingo! Right choice! Perhaps we've all received a lesson here!

personalist(ic) mysticism
Explanation:
It seems that in this case "mística" does mean "mysticism".

PERSONALISM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personalist
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
per·son·al·ism –noun 1. Also called personal idealism. a modern philosophical movement locating ultimate value and reality in persons, human or divine.
2. Psychology. an approach stressing individual personality as the central concern of psychology.


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[Origin: 1840–50; personal + -ism]

—Related forms
per·son·al·ist, noun
per·son·al·is·tic, adjective
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

PERSONALIST MYSTICISM
CSP - 'The Interspiritual Age: Practical Mysticism for the Third ...is essentially transcendent, while the personalist mysticism of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc., is both immanent, because of God's nearness to the human ...
www.csp.org/experience/docs/teasdale-interspiritual.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

JSTOR: The Religion of JavaThe heart of it is a personalist mysticism. Once again, the presentation is on the whole effective, although one feels that the author has to struggle very ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0013-0079(196301)11%3A2%3C203%3ATROJ%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0 - Similar pages

PERSONALIST(IC) MYSTICISM AND KIERKEGAARD
[PDF] von Balthasar on Theology -File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Kierkegaard has pointedly remarked. that in manthere are "a multiplicityof shadows,all ... ineluctably toward a personalist mysticism. The ...
www.catholicscholars.org/resources/quarterly/v13n2mar1990.p... - Similar pages

A Short History of Christian Thought - Christianbook.com... from Human Sin: Limitations of Speculative Reason: Kierkegaard and the Absurd ... Mystical Union: Personalistic Mysticism: The Theology of Revelation ...
www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/cms_content?page=3032... - 42k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages


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PERSONALISTIC

In case you need some more evidence for "personalistic":

[PDF] Mystical naturalismFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
personalistic mysticism of the sort that could issue in interpretations of divine. incarnationism, ‘I am the Real’ etc. ...
journals.cambridge.org/article_S003441250200598X - Similar pages

German Mysticism from Hildegard of Bingen to Ludwig Wittgenstein: ... - Google Books Resultby Andrew Weeks - 1993 - 283 pages
is often deceived.57 Here the conflict of authority has become topical and political, with a corresponding turn toward a personalistic mysticism. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0791414191...

PERSONALISTIC MYSTICISM in fact is more common than PERSONALIST MYSTICISM, though both are used.
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Deborah Workman
United States
Note from asker to answerer
I know I said I did not want to use mysticim here. However, and looking and the possibilities and reasons, I have had to discard mystique, given that I am translating a technical text with technical philosophical terms, in which mystique would not work at all (it has a different meaning). So, at the end, sorry for havig nearly caused a war between some of you, I am going to go for "mysticism". The context allows for it.
Thank you all.
Regards
Joaquim
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Summary of answers provided
3 +3mystique
David Cahill
4 +1mystique=la mística /// mysticism=misticismo
Smartranslators
5 -1mystic [as a noun]/spiritualistliz askew
4existentialist ethos Marina Herrera
3personalist(ic) mysticism
Deborah Workman
3theologyMar Brotons


  

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7 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +3
mystique

Explanation:
As far as I know "mystic" always refers to a person. So here's an option

David Cahill
Spain
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree patricia scott: You beat me to it. Fully agree with both. Mystic always refers to a person.
3 mins
  -> thanks, patricia

agree Patricia Rosas
5 mins
  -> thanks, patricia

disagree liz askew: Not convinced, you have no evidence.
38 mins
  -> no evidence of what? I only gave an option

neutral Wendy Leech: It can also be an abstract noun surely? - "the mystic", as in "the unknown", "the supernatural"
2 hrs
  -> thanks, wendy

agree franglish: Look under 'the mystique of Kirkegaard' in google, Liz
2 hrs
  -> thanks, franglish

agree Ruth Henderson
2 days9 hrs
  -> thanks, ruth
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32 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): -1
mystic [as a noun]/spiritualist

Explanation:
There seems to be some confusion.

In answer to your last question, yes you can use "mystic" as a noun.

"mystique" does not have the same meaning as "mystic", so I would avoid it as a synonym.

See:

Amazon.com: Mystique Vol. 1: Drop Dead Gorgeous (X-Men): Books ...
Mystique the sultry mutant shapeshifter, who has stood against the X-Men in ... vaughan's interpretation of mystique's personality is occasionally a bit off ...
www.amazon.com/Mystique-Vol-Drop-Gorgeous-X-Men/dp/07851124... - 104k - Cached - Similar pages

Mystique is used as a noun.

Mystic = a noun


Collins Sp-En

Místico/a (adj) = mystical


Collins En-En

Mystic n. = a person who achieves mystical experiences or an apprehension of divine mysteries.


Mystique n. = an aura of mystery, power, and awe, that surrounds a person or thing.

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:ebHEzzdJs0MJ:encarta.ms...

Synonyms [for mystic]: spiritualist, medium, magic, shaman, sage, sorcerer, wizard





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See:






articlearchives.htmarticlearchives.htm
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:A8dHKUfF8TwJ:www.lighth...
Soren Kierkegaard - Mystic, Existentialist
1813-1855
http://www.philosophyprofessor.com/philosophers/soren-aabye-...

Kierkegaard was a mystic and an existentialist. (Existentialism: an atheistic philosophy in which everything is relative; there are no absolute truths)
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:7d82lbMiMC4J:www.supere...


Soren Kierkegaard
"Just as in earthly life lovers long for the moment when they are able to breathe forth their love for each other, to let their souls blend in a soft whisper, so the mystic longs for the moment when in prayer he can, as it were, creep into God."
Provocations by Soren Kierkegaard
Spiritual Writings of Søren Kierkegaard. Soren Kierkegaard. There are few authors as repeatedly quoted and consistently unread as Søren Kierkegaard. ...
www.plough.com/ebooks/Provocations.html - 5k - Cached - Similar pages
Amazon.com: Provocations: Spiritual Writings of Kierkegaard: Books ...
Amazon.com: Provocations: Spiritual Writings of Kierkegaard: Books: Soren Kierkegaard,Charles E. Moore by Soren Kierkegaard,Charles E. Moore.
www.amazon.com/Provocations-Spiritual-Writings-Kierkegaard-... - 136k - Cached - Similar pages
Amazon.com: Training in Christianity: Books: Soren Kierkegaard ...
Practice in Christianity : Kierkegaard's Writings, Vol 20 by Soren ... Provocations: Spiritual Writings of Kierkegaard by Soren Kierkegaard $13.60 ...
www.amazon.com/Training-Christianity-Soren-Kierkegaard/dp/0... - 118k - Cached - Similar pages





liz askew
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
disagree David Cahill: Mystic and spiritualist are nouns referring to people. La mística is not a person
35 mins
  -> I think you are confused and need some spiritual guidance! You are not logical in your disagreement at all.
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1 hr   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5 peer agreement (net): +1
mystique=la mística /// mysticism=misticismo

Explanation:
mystique
A noun
1 mystique

an aura of heightened value or interest or meaning surrounding a person or thing


mysticism
A noun
1 mysticism

obscure or irrational thought


Smartranslators
Spain
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree Pilar Díez
3 hrs
  -> Gracias Pilar
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2 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
existentialist ethos

Explanation:
many Spanish spealers use "mística" without being related to mystic literaure or religious mysticysm, but more an air of "mystery" or something intangible that can't be named. Ethos is defined as: the character or disposition of a community, group, person, etc.
3. the moral element in dramatic literature that determines a character's action rather than his or her thought or emotion. I think that in the case of Kierkegard something along the lines of ethos is what the Spanish writer has in mind.

Marina Herrera
United States
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish, Native in SpanishSpanish
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42 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
theology

Explanation:
"Mística" is a branch of teology which deals with spiritual life, communion with God or intuitive contemplation of God.

http://buscon.rae.es/draeI/SrvltGUIBusUsual?TIPO_HTML=2&LEMA...

Mystique, mystic and mysticism do not have this meaning. None of them are branches of theology. I can´t think of an exact equivalent in English, so it might be an idea to use a broader term like "theology".



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Franglish mentions "the mystique of Kierkegaard". However, this means something like "the mysterious appeal of Kierkegaard" rather than his personalist phylosophical ideas.

Mar Brotons
United Kingdom
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish, Native in CatalanCatalan
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3 days4 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5
mística personalista personalist(ic) mysticism

Explanation:
It seems that in this case "mística" does mean "mysticism".

PERSONALISM
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/personalist
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
per·son·al·ism –noun 1. Also called personal idealism. a modern philosophical movement locating ultimate value and reality in persons, human or divine.
2. Psychology. an approach stressing individual personality as the central concern of psychology.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Origin: 1840–50; personal + -ism]

—Related forms
per·son·al·ist, noun
per·son·al·is·tic, adjective
Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

PERSONALIST MYSTICISM
CSP - 'The Interspiritual Age: Practical Mysticism for the Third ...is essentially transcendent, while the personalist mysticism of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc., is both immanent, because of God's nearness to the human ...
www.csp.org/experience/docs/teasdale-interspiritual.html - 62k - Cached - Similar pages

JSTOR: The Religion of JavaThe heart of it is a personalist mysticism. Once again, the presentation is on the whole effective, although one feels that the author has to struggle very ...
links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0013-0079(196301)11%3A2%3C203%3ATROJ%3E2.0.CO%3B2-0 - Similar pages

PERSONALIST(IC) MYSTICISM AND KIERKEGAARD
[PDF] von Balthasar on Theology -File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
Kierkegaard has pointedly remarked. that in manthere are "a multiplicityof shadows,all ... ineluctably toward a personalist mysticism. The ...
www.catholicscholars.org/resources/quarterly/v13n2mar1990.p... - Similar pages

A Short History of Christian Thought - Christianbook.com... from Human Sin: Limitations of Speculative Reason: Kierkegaard and the Absurd ... Mystical Union: Personalistic Mysticism: The Theology of Revelation ...
www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/cms_content?page=3032... - 42k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages


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Note added at 3 days4 hrs (2007-02-12 18:18:49 GMT)
--------------------------------------------------

PERSONALISTIC

In case you need some more evidence for "personalistic":

[PDF] Mystical naturalismFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
personalistic mysticism of the sort that could issue in interpretations of divine. incarnationism, ‘I am the Real’ etc. ...
journals.cambridge.org/article_S003441250200598X - Similar pages

German Mysticism from Hildegard of Bingen to Ludwig Wittgenstein: ... - Google Books Resultby Andrew Weeks - 1993 - 283 pages
is often deceived.57 Here the conflict of authority has become topical and political, with a corresponding turn toward a personalistic mysticism. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0791414191...

PERSONALISTIC MYSTICISM in fact is more common than PERSONALIST MYSTICISM, though both are used.

Deborah Workman
United States
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 4
Note from asker to answerer
I know I said I did not want to use mysticim here. However, and looking and the possibilities and reasons, I have had to discard mystique, given that I am translating a technical text with technical philosophical terms, in which mystique would not work at all (it has a different meaning). So, at the end, sorry for havig nearly caused a war between some of you, I am going to go for "mysticism". The context allows for it.
Thank you all.
Regards
Joaquim
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