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21:31 Jan 15, 2012
Spanish to English translations [PRO] Science - Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
Spanish term or phrase:Ser - ente
La fenomenología es investigación sobre el ser de los entes.
What could be the equivalences that mark an accurate distinction of both. "About the existance of beings" Thanks.
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However you decide to translate "ente" (as I have explained, either "being" or "entity" can be used for this in English), do not use "existence" for "ser"; that is not what it means. You must translate it as "being"; there is no valid alternative. "El ser de los entes" can be expressed either as "the being of beings" or "the being of entities".
As for whether to use "being" or "entity" for "ente", I see advantages and disadvantages on both sides. "Being", as I have said, is the term used in the latest translation, and it attracts me on linguistic grounds, since it preserves the cognate relationship between "Sein" and "Seiendes". On the other hand, a "being" in English, as the word is conventionally used, tends to refer to a living creature, and "ente" (or "Seiendes") is of course not limited to that.
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being
Explanation: Both "ser" and "ente" translate as 'being'. Heidegger only uses the term 'entities' in verg specific contexts, and always in the plural. It has been translated in the past as 'things'. See the references and discussion from last week.
Muriel Vasconcellos United States Local time: 22:32 Specializes in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 249
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Being - entity
Explanation: My take!
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As Heidegger later points out the spatial quality of an entity can only be clarified in terms of it Being part of the structure of worldhood, not as its apriori spatial ...
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HEIDEGGER ON BEING. From Heidegger. Being is not an entity – “what is the being of entities?” – and in this way not definable. We live in understanding of ...
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Heidegger also notes here in this connection that part of the indefinability of Being results from the fact that it is not an entity. Being (Sein) is not an entity ...
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Heidegger distinguishes between an entity (anything that is) and the being of an entity. He calls this distinction the. "ontological difference." The being of an ...
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These are just a few examples to demonstrate the erroneous nature of the "always in the plural" nonsense. Heidegger undeniably very often used "entity" in the singular and for good reason.
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Das Sein des Seienden »ist« nicht selbst ein Seiendes. (Heidegger)
The Being of entities 'is' not itself an entity. (Macquarrie)
El ser del ente no 'es', él mismo, un ente. (Rivera)
Edward Tully Local time: 07:32 Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 80
Explanation: I think you were on the right track from the get-go:
"About the existance of beings."
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980–1037) inquired into the question of being, in which he distinguished between essence (Mahiat) and existence (Wujud). He argued that the fact of existence ...
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Text: English, German (translation). Product Details. Paperback: 369 pages; Publisher: Gateway Editions (January 25, 1953); Language: English; ISBN-10: ...
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eski :))
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Well, this being is either itself the reason for its own existence, or it is not. If it is, well and good. If not, then we must proceed further. But if we proceed to infinity in ...
eski Mexico Local time: 00:32 Native speaker of: English, Spanish PRO pts in category: 4
Reference information: At the risk of stating the obvious, I think it is important to remember that Heidegger did not use the terms "being", "entity", "ser" or "ente" in Sein und Zeit; he used certain German words, which English and Spanish translators have rendered, variously, using the terms mentioned.
Basically, four German terms are involved: "sein" (to be, infinitive), "seiend" (being, present participle), "Sein" (being, substantive ["the fact of being"]; substantives are always capitalized in German), and "Seiendes" ("that which is", a substantive derived from the present participle "seiend"; "ein Seiendes" is "something which is").
John Macquarrie, in the standard English version first published in 1962, explains in two footnotes near the beginning that he translates "sein" as "to be" or "being" (gerund), "seiend" usually as "being" (present participle), "Sein" as "Being" (capitalized), and "Seiendes" usually as "entity" or "entities". He remarks that "Seiendes" is one of the most important terms in the book, and that: "There is much to be said for translating 'Seiendes' by the noun 'being' or 'beings' (for it is often used in a collective sense). We feel, however, that it is smoother and less confusing to write 'entity' or 'entities'".
So far, so good. In the very first sentence of his Spanish version (1997), the Chilean philosopher Jorge Eduardo Rivera renders "seiend", in Heidegger's translation of a quotation from Plato's Sophist, as "ente", where Macquarrie put "being". Generally, however, as far as I can tell from checking a few pages, Rivera uses "ser" for "sein" and "Sein" and "ente" for "Seiendes". One of the key early sentences involving these terms comes out as follows:
Das Sein des Seienden »ist« nicht selbst ein Seiendes. (Heidegger)
The Being of entities 'is' not itself an entity. (Macquarrie)
El ser del ente no 'es', él mismo, un ente. (Rivera)
What I don't know is what the Spanish philosopher José Gaos did with these terms in his earlier Spanish version of Sein und Zeit, published in 1951.
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In the English version, entity is very often (though not always) used in the plural, entities, because, as Macquarrie explains, "das Seiendes" is very often used by Heidegger in a collective sense: "things that are".
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PART II
Thus generations of English-speaking Heidegger scholars have grown accustomed to referring to "das Seiendes" as "entity" or "entities", owing to the explicit decision of Macquarrie and Robinson (sorry I forgot to mention Robinson) to translate it like that. As has been noted, they regarded "being/beings" as a sensible translation of "Seiendes", but thought it would make things clearer to use a different word, though they also noted that "entity" was not an entirely satisfactory term.
HOWEVER, it must be remembered that the use or not of the word "entity" for this concept is not Heidegger's but ours. And not every Heidegger scholar agrees with it. It seems likely, in fact, that referring to "das Seiendes" as "being" will now become much more usual, following the decision taken by Joan Stambaugh to translate "das Seiendes" as "being" in her new translation of Being and Time (Albany, NY: SUNY Press, 2010). Stambaugh, Professor at CUNY, is a highly-respected Heidegger specialist. She pretty well dispenses entirely with the word "entity".
In the preface to Stambaugh's translation, Dennis Schmidt comments on how this problem has been handled:
"One difference in this new edition is that the German word being translated is frequently identified by being inserted in square brackets. Doing this solves a number of problems such as those arising from the difficulty in distinguishing "being" ["Sein"] from "beings" ["Seiende"]. Whenever there was any chance of confusion about the translation of these words, the German words were inserted" (p. xix).
And so it is: every time Heidegger uses "Seiendes" or an inflected form of it, Stambaugh translates it as "being" or "beings". So the sentence quoted above, "Das Sein des Seienden »ist« nicht selbst ein Seiendes", comes out as:
The being of being "is" itself not a being (p. 7).
It is thus quite defensible to use the word "being" in English to render both "Sein" and to "Seiendes" which are respectively translated as "ser" and "ente" in Spanish.
Charles Davis Spain Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 40
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