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English translation: derby


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Spanish term or phrase:clásico
English translation:derby
Entered by: Ana Cizmich
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10:57 Nov 11, 2009
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Sports / Fitness / Recreation / soccer
Spanish term or phrase: clásico
I´m translating a book about soccer.

In Uruguay, a game between the two traditional rival soccer teams, Nacional and Peñarol, is called "un clásico".

This term appears throughout the book.

I see the term "derby" in several KudoZ entries.

My question: is "derby" used both in UK and USA English? If not, is there a more widely used term?

Some sample sentences are:

- "Una tarde de clásico, el partido está próximo a comenzar y el público ingresa al estadio"

- "Las miradas no quieren perderse ni un instante las alternativas de un apasionante clásico de 1919"

Thank you!!
Ana Cizmich
Local time: 02:40
derby
Explanation:
There's no other word for it in UK English, though you can now italicise "clásico" and leave it in the text. Most English-language publications like to add a splash of colour by using such words.

You can call this particular game the Montevideo derby as they are the two biggest clubs in the Uruguayan capital.

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Note added at 8 mins (2009-11-11 11:05:21 GMT)
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Here's a history of the fixture on the FIFA website:
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/stories/classicderby/new...
You'll see it's also called the "superclasico", which is a really big derby, like Boca Juniors- River Plate in Buenos Aires.
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James Calder
Local time: 07:40
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Summary of answers provided
5 +4derby
James Calder
4Clasico or derby
Rafael Geronimo
3 +1Classic
Kathleen Misson
4grudge match
Simon Harris


  

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4 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 5/5 peer agreement (net): +4
derby


Explanation:
There's no other word for it in UK English, though you can now italicise "clásico" and leave it in the text. Most English-language publications like to add a splash of colour by using such words.

You can call this particular game the Montevideo derby as they are the two biggest clubs in the Uruguayan capital.

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Note added at 8 mins (2009-11-11 11:05:21 GMT)
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Here's a history of the fixture on the FIFA website:
http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/stories/classicderby/new...
You'll see it's also called the "superclasico", which is a really big derby, like Boca Juniors- River Plate in Buenos Aires.

James Calder
Local time: 07:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
PRO pts in category: 220
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you James. Great link I´ll use it as reference for the rest of the translation as well !!!


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  Gilla Evans: yes, in UK English a derby refers to a match between two teams from the same local area, such as Celtic and Rangers in Glasgow, or Wednesday and United in Sheffield.
2 mins

agree  David Ronder: Spurs v Arsenal where I live (and Hibs-Hearts where I was born). Agree you could also use italicised 'clásico' like the UK sports press do for Barca-Madrid.
53 mins

agree  Mónica Algazi: Muy acertada tu sugerencia.
2 hrs

agree  Wil Hardman
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8 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 3/5Answerer confidence 3/5 peer agreement (net): +1
Classic


Explanation:
I know that in cycling, horse racing and some other sports, a race could be called a 'Classic' event. I would call it the "Montevideo classic". I haven't heard 'derby' used in football. Hope this helps.

Kathleen Misson
Local time: 07:40
Native speaker of: Native in EnglishEnglish
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Kathleen, my husband is an English native speaker and a sports fan and never suggested to me to use derby, so I guess it varies from country to country


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
agree  jude69: very appropriate! Derby is used only for two local rivals of the same city.
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14 mins   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
grudge match


Explanation:
A derby is ONLY between two sides from the same city (I don't know if Nacional and Peñarol are)

A game between Manchester United and Chelsea, for example, would be a grudge match.

In Spain, Barça v Espanyol (same city) is 'el derby' but Barça v Real Madrid is 'el clásico'

Grudge match isn't perfect because 'clásico' normally only refers to the two top sides whereas a grudge match is between any pair of bitter rivals

Simon Harris
Spain
Local time: 07:40
Native speaker of: English
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Simon, both of the teams are from the Capital city.


Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)
neutral  Wil Hardman: It's an interesting point you raise about Madrid-Barca, although I do see that game as a kind of derby, perhaps its due to the history of rivalry. Another example is Man United v Liverpool- also considered a derby but the teams are from different cities
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5 hrs   confidence: Answerer confidence 4/5Answerer confidence 4/5
Clasico or derby


Explanation:
Here the reporter is using both terms in the same article so I guess you can pick which one you like the most ...




    Reference: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/greg_lalas/10/...
Rafael Geronimo
United States
Local time: 00:40
Specializes in field
Native speaker of: Native in SpanishSpanish
PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: Thank you Rafael, this is very helpful when using other terms as well !! It shows I can use terms both in English and Spanish in the same text to make it more interesting.

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