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Spanish term or phrase:	casco histórico (in this context)
English translation:	Old compound
Entered by:	Gabriela Mejías

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01:19 Mar 10, 2006

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Tourism & Travel / Brochure - Estancias

Spanish term or phrase: casco histórico (in this context)

Hola, amigos. Sé que este término está en el gloss de ProZ, pero me parece que la versión no se ajusta al contexto que tengo. Se trata del casco histórico de una estancia, y el texto dice:
Habitaciones y Servicios:
- 17 habitaciones (13 en el *Casco Histórico* y 4 en la Casa de Campo)

Había pensado en Historic quarters... pero me gustaría saber la opinión de ustedes.
Gracias... como siempre!!!!

Gabriela Mejías KudoZ activity Questions: 241 (none open) (7 closed without grading) Answers: 811 Argentina
Local time: 23:48

Old compound

Explanation:
Eso de "casco" lo acabo de contestar hace días. Para mí el "casco histórico" es "the old compund".

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Note added at 3 mins (2006-03-10 01:23:43 GMT)
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Y tratándose de una estancia, conste.

Selected response from:

Henry Hinds
Local time: 20:48

Grading comment

Gracias a todos, pero se trata de varios edificios, por lo que se desprende del contexto... así que creo que esta es la opción que más se adecua al contexto.
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

5 +2

casco = main house, so "historic main house"

Hermeneutica

5 +1

Old compound

Henry Hinds

Historic compound of the house

Beatriz Read

farmstead; main farmhouse and outbuildings

Martin Perazzo

old quarter

Sarah McGrane Gonzalez

historic farm buildings

Simon Bruni

historical building / historical settlement

Luis Javier Otoya

Discussion entries: 2

Answers

3 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

Old compound

Henry Hinds
Local time: 20:48
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 173

Grading comment

Gracias a todos, pero se trata de varios edificios, por lo que se desprende del contexto... así que creo que esta es la opción que más se adecua al contexto.

Peer comments on this answer (and responses from the answerer)

agree

David Hollywood: I agree, in Argentina the "casco" is the main ranch house, surrounding area, and facilities for the ranch hands ("peones")

32 mins

-> Gracias, David.

agree

mar52: That´s it. It refers to the first buildings and surrounding area forming the estancia. El casco original de la estancia.

1 hr

-> Gracias, Mar.

agree

cello

6 hrs

-> Gracias, Cello.

agree

nedra: This sounds right for the context.

6 hrs

-> Gracias, Nedra.

disagree

Hermeneutica: The casco is the main house, and the compound is all the buildings together, see my own answer below

7 hrs

-> In a recent question the same asker said: "Cuenta con diez habitaciones con baño privado, distribuidas en dos casas en el mismo *casco*." This indicates a "compound" the answer she accepted.

neutral

Simon Bruni: whilst not incorrect, I would say it would be undesirable for a tourist to stay in a "compound", due to its connotations with "military compound" or "prison compound"

7 hrs

-> I guess that depends on how you view it.

disagree

MJ Barber: the compound is all the buildings

10 hrs

-> The other question is: http://www.proz.com/kudoz/1272819

disagree

Judi O'Brien: Agree with others that the compound is the entirety of the buildings

1 day19 hrs

-> "Entirety" or "all" miss the point, but the compound must include more than one building, so...

32 mins confidence:

old quarter

Explanation:
This is something I have heard a lot when referring to the historical parts of towns.

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Sarah McGrane Gonzalez
Local time: 03:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish,

English
PRO pts in category: 4

7 hrs confidence:

historic farm buildings

Explanation:
Personally I would avoid "compound" for aesthetic reasons, as it makes me think of a prison - not a desirable connotation for tourism. Another option is "farmstead", which has old-world feel, but this ecompasses the farmland as well as the buildings. "Farm" could be replaced with "ranch" if you prefer.

If I am not mistaken "casco" in this context refers to more buildings than just the one old "main building".

Simon Bruni
United Kingdom
Local time: 03:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 40

9 hrs confidence:

farmstead; main farmhouse and outbuildings

Explanation:
"farmstead" is the most succinct way of describing it. Sure, it includes the land, but there's no exact equivalent either, other than saying it "the long way" (which I also included in my answer above).
Definition of "farmstead":
the buildings and adjacent grounds of a farm
farmplace: a farm together with its buildings

Martin Perazzo
Spain
Local time: 04:48
Native speaker of:

English,

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 4

15 hrs confidence:

historical building / historical settlement

Explanation:
Historical building si es solamente un edificio original (original quarters surge como otra opción), o historical settlement si son varias edificaciones originales

Luis Javier Otoya
Colombia
Local time: 21:48
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish
PRO pts in category: 12

7 hrs confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

casco = main house, so "historic main house"

Explanation:
Is what you call it in English when referring to similar properties.
How do I know? T'm from Argentina, thus familiar with estancias, and then I've lived most of my life in or "surrounded by" historic properties in England, the US and now in France.

The compound is the entire thing, all buildings together, sometimes surrounded by a wall, fences, hedges, etc. and separating it from, basically, the land.

Cheers

Dee

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Note added at 16 hrs (2006-03-10 17:44:51 GMT)
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Then in the other case I would have said "2 houses in the main building" [FR is nice in that it has "corps de bâtiment" for this].
To Simon Bruni: In the US it can have pos or neg connotations - e.g. the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport, the Branch Davidian compound at Waco. Personally I don't like it either, but that's just my own preference.

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Note added at 16 hrs (2006-03-10 17:49:12 GMT)
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I got confused - this note about Simon was supposed to be re Henry Hind's comment to my "disagree". Simon [here] - I can only tell you how I've always heard the word used in Argentina [home of the estancia FWIW :) ]

Hermeneutica
Local time: 04:48
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish,

English
PRO pts in category: 4

17 hrs confidence:

Historic compound of the house

Explanation:
Cuando hablas del casco de una hacienda, se refiere a las ruinas que han sido restauradas, pero que todavía tienen algo del edificio original. Ese es el casco. Estas retauraciones las hacen de modo que sean lo mas similares a lo que fue originalmente y conservan todo lo que puede conservarse y que se muestre como original.

Beatriz Read
Local time: 20:48
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish

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