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el contacto con el cauce del Guadalquivir

English translation: where it touches on the Gualdaquivir river

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Spanish term or phrase:	el contacto con el cauce del Guadalquivir
English translation:	where it touches on the Gualdaquivir river
Entered by:	Carol Gullidge

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21:30 Jan 7, 2010

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Tourism & Travel / description of views of Seville

Spanish term or phrase: el contacto con el cauce del Guadalquivir

Una vez demolidas sus murallas a finales del s. XIX, el crecimiento urbano de Sevilla se extendió indiscriminadamente por la corona norte, este y sur de la ciudad, manteniéndose únicamente reconocible en su imagen histórica __ *****el contacto con el cauce del Guadalquivir ***** __ (en ciertos tramos del mismo), y reconocible asimismo en la traza de la ronda histórica que circunvala el antiguo recinto amurallado, separando el casco histórico de los nuevos crecimientos. A pesar de ello, su imagen histórica apenas resulta reconocible en la fachada de la Ronda Histórica de la ciudad (fachada hacia Torneo, hacia la Ronda de María Auxiliadora… etc) sin duda muy renovada.

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In a text describing the views of the main monuments in Seville from various possible viewing points, and how the traditional/historic views have been completely transformed over time.

I'm having trouble fathoming out "el contacto con" in particular, and would be very grateful for any help with this - many thanks!

My best but unconvincing efforts are "association/connection with...", but these don't make much sense to me...

Carol Gullidge KudoZ activity Questions: 348 (1 open) (3 closed without grading) Answers: 2354 United Kingdom
Local time: 20:15

proximity to the Gualdaquivir river

Explanation:
just a guess

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Note added at 14 minutos (2010-01-07 21:45:02 GMT)
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or maybe "where it touches on ...." / runs along the river

Selected response from:

Lisa McCarthy
Spain
Local time: 21:15

Grading comment

thanks so much everyone! I especially like "where it touches on the river", relating to the historical image of Seville
4 KudoZ points were awarded for this answer

Summary of answers provided

4 +1

that it follows the course of the Guadalquivir river

Marian Cantero

4 +1

its geographical relationship with the Guadalquivir

Jenni Lukac

(its history of) contact with the Guadalquivir (riverbed)

Jenniferts

2 +2

proximity to the Gualdaquivir river

Lisa McCarthy

3 +1

along the banks of the Guadalquivir

Jessica Noyes

the parts of the city which make contact with the course of the Guadalquivir

Deborah Lockett

Summary of reference entries provided

al-wādi al-kabīr

Gad Kohenov

Answers

8 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

its geographical relationship with the Guadalquivir

Explanation:
One idea...You could also say its relationship with the course of the Guadalquivir. In Internet: The relationship between Seville and the Guadalquivir serves as an excellent laboratory in which to test various hypotheses on the nature and dynamics of the relationships between water and urban space. [...]
Documents d'analisi geografica, N. 31 (1997), p. 117-127
http://ddd.uab.cat/pub/dag/02121573n31p117.pdf

Jenni Lukac
Local time: 21:15
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 107

13 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

along the banks of the Guadalquivir

Explanation:
This is what I think it means.

Jessica Noyes
United States
Local time: 15:15
Works in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

9 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +2

proximity to the Gualdaquivir river

Lisa McCarthy
Spain
Local time: 21:15
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 108

Grading comment

thanks so much everyone! I especially like "where it touches on the river", relating to the historical image of Seville

28 mins confidence:

peer agreement (net): +1

that it follows the course of the Guadalquivir river

Explanation:
Although it does not make a lot of sense in Spanish, but it;s talking about Seville being built alongside the river

Marian Cantero
Local time: 21:15
Works in field
Native speaker of:

Spanish

5 hrs confidence:

(its history of) contact with the Guadalquivir (riverbed)

Explanation:
OR: its historical image of contact/connection with the Guadalquivir (riverbed/the riverbed of the Guadalquivir)
OR: its historical image as a city in contact with the Guadalquivir (riverbed)

www.africafiles.org/article.asp?ID=15990
a trading city in contact with the Red Sea coast

www.riverlinks.org/part_sevilla_pilot_s.htm
This area would include the whole front of the neighbourhood in contact with the Guadalquivir Dock

The Phoenicians in Spain: an archaeological review of the eighth-sixth... Escrito por Marilyn R. Bierling,Seymour Gitin
The island of Cádiz required support points on the coast that were in contact with the lower Guadalquivir and the metal-producing zone, but which avoided...

http://weyriver.co.uk/theriver/wey_nav_1.htm
The sundial rests on a plinth and around the base of the sculpture is a chain representing Guildford’s historical connection with the River Wey

http://www.benbaso.com/descargas/boletin19.pdf
Undoubtedly, the former riverbed of the Guadalquivir and the landscapes of its shores, they are still an important prop of the Sevillian spirit of the place. It is true that the images of the historical port and its character have got lost completely (unlike other cities have given new life to these spaces), but still these margins, which offer the best perspectives of the city, sustain this local spirit.

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Or, if you feel you can cut "image", you could say "its historical connection with the Guadalquivir (riverbed)".

Jenniferts
Local time: 14:15
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 4

18 hrs confidence:

the parts of the city which make contact with the course of the Guadalquivir

Explanation:
or "the places where the city makes contact with the course of the Guadalquivir"

Seville grew up as a river port on the Guadalquivir. Picture of the Torre de Oro: http://www.xvbotrytiscadiz10.com/imagenes/sevilla.jpg

Deborah Lockett
Local time: 20:15
Specializes in field
Native speaker of:

English
PRO pts in category: 155

Reference comments

10 hrs

Reference: al-wādi al-kabīr

Reference information:
Guadalquivir
The Guadalquivir is the fourth longest river in Spain (after the Tagus, Ebro and Douro), and the longest in Andalusia. The name comes from the Arabic al-wādi al-kabīr (الوادي الكبير), 'The Great River'. The river was called Betis (or Baetis) from Pre-Roman times to the Al-Andalus period, giving its name to the Hispania Baetica Roman province.

Wadi or riverbed will be good here.

Gad Kohenov
Israel
Works in field
Native speaker of:

French,

Hebrew
PRO pts in category: 8

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