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07:25 Jun 28, 2011
Spanish to English translations [PRO] Tourism & Travel
Spanish term or phrase:Metros y km cuadrados
Estoy traduciendo un texto cuyo público meta son unos periodistas ingleses (Reino Unido). A lo largo del texto aparecen numerosas medidas de longitud, especialmente el metro (m) y el kilómetro cuadrado (km2). Sé que en inglés se utilizan los feet como unidad de medida de longitud, pero no sé si todavía está en uso. Y en cuanto al km2 no sé realmente cuál es su equivalente, si sería el square feet o cuál. ¿Podéis ayudarme? ¡Gracias!
Explanation: My English son, who is 26, does not really know what a yard is. He was educated in the metric system. We still use miles but kilometres is widely used and perfectly comprehensible. Don't try and translate these to yards and acres, just leave them.
we are becoming more and more metrical, even in football. Evidence: Tottenham fans call Peter Crouch "Two Metre Peter". Or is that just because it rhymes?
And whatever we use, we all understand metric, except for the very old.
As a question: wouldn't you be more likely to use acres for property (such as farmland) and smaller areas, but sq m for larger areas? E.g. wouldn't you say a national park is spread over 42 sq m rather than 26,880 acres?
As for the core issue, people in the UK seem to have taken to certain metric measurements more than others. I think ºFahrenheit went out of use years ago. I'm also a regular user of UK sports forums where most users are quite young and I've noticed an increasing tendency to use metres rather than feet. Even in football, where there are standard expressions such as the 6- or 18-yard box and people would traditionally say someone shot from 30 yards out, more and more people seem to be saying 30 metres instead. I also noticed an increasing trend towards using the metric system in my latest trip to London last month.
In this particular case I'd probably choose imperial, but depending on the number of references in the text, I might consider providing metric measurements followed by imperial measurements in brackets, and if I had significant time restraints I'd probably just leave the metric figures.
Yes, I was just reinforcing the impression the asker will already have got that this whole measurements business in the UK is a minefield, if not a dog's breakfast!
I have stated the same as you several times now....maybe you express it better than me!
Belon in my answer I state that it is typical for mountains to be given in metres, and I provide examples as well.....almost nobody (who hasn't had a European or other foreign influence) uses km for distances, but yes the metre for short distances/heights of buildings etc.
In the UK, response to this very much depends on the age group. Most younger people are more familiar with metres than their elders. Most are familiar with both. When it comes to kilometres, square or otherwise, there is greater resistance and most people still use miles, and road distances are given in miles. Square miles and acres are also still most familiar. But mountains are often referred to in metres these days even among the general public. The situation is fluid.
Your ref is for kilometres and square kilometres and it only states that government topographers, engineers, road builders etc. use the km. Everyday people use, feet, yard and mile and that includes the acre (220 yards x 22 yards an ancient fuedal measurement still in use today when you purchase property) and the square mile. I am a scientist and I've been taught to use the correct international convetions but this is not a science paper, the target audience are UK journalists therefore I would use old (currently in use) UK measurements.
By experience I suppose they will know very well what you are talking about without expecting you to make the change into feet!
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20 mins confidence: peer agreement (net): +1
yards and acres
Explanation: 1 metre = 1.0936 yards
1 km2 = 247.11 acres or 0.386 square miles (miles2)
1 yard = 3 feet
For areas (km2) we use both acres and square miles depending on the size of the land being measured
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If the measurement is unos pocos metros then maybe we would express this in feet, otherwise we use yards as it is more convenient.
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for example, 3 m = 10 feet (mas o menus)
pero, 30 m we would proabably express as 33 yards.
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1 yard = 3 feet
a mountain of 2000 metres would be approximately 2200 yards (1m = 1.1 yard).
HOWEVER, in the case of altitude we either use the international convention of metres (no problem if you left the mountains as they were) or the old English way of using "feet" - therefore yes 2000 metres is a lot of feet - approximately 6560 feet
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We never use yards to measure altitude (there is no where in Britain more than about 1, 400 metres, so we manage with just feet!!!)
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Yes I'm telling you that we would express them in EITHER metres or feet, those are the conventions; therefore it would be no problem at all if you left the mountains in METRES.
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Another example, here you can see distance in miles (its a walking route) plus altitude of ascension in metres.........
Dr Neil Ashby Spain Local time: 18:23 Works in field Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 4
Notes to answerer
Asker: And what is the difference between "yards" and "feet" when talking about a mountain? Because 1 foot = 0,3048 m, and if the mountain is about 2000 metres, if I use the yards, I think it's going to be more complicated because I need a lot of yards! Don't I?
Asker: But in Spain (the case of the text) there are mountains higher than 2000 and 3000 metres. That's why I'm asking
1 hr confidence: peer agreement (net): +5
metres and square kilometres
Explanation: My English son, who is 26, does not really know what a yard is. He was educated in the metric system. We still use miles but kilometres is widely used and perfectly comprehensible. Don't try and translate these to yards and acres, just leave them.
xxxFVS Native speaker of: English PRO pts in category: 16