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URSSAFnumber (France)
Thread poster: Myriam van Gils
Myriam van Gils
Local time: 12:49
English to Dutch
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Oct 8, 2002

Someone told me that if I do translations for a French agency I need to have a French URSSAFnumber (profession liberale).

I work also for Dutch agencies, am registered in the Netherlands and pay my taxes in the Netherlands: do I still also need a French URSSAF number?


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mckinnc  Identity Verified
Local time: 12:49
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Not true Oct 8, 2002

It would make a bit of a nonsense of the Single European Market if that were true. I work for French agencies and have a UK-registered company. You can hardly be expected to register your company in more tahn one country, just as you can be tax registered in only one.

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Nicolas Rick
Local time: 12:49
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Urssaf Oct 8, 2002

In my opinion as a translator doing businesss in France, if you have registered elswhere in the EC you don\'t have to register at the Urssaf in France.

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OlafK
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:49
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I have a question for Colin Oct 9, 2002

I currently live in the UK and my business is registered here. Say I decided to move to France but continued to pay tax and NIC here, how would I sort out things like health insurance?

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mckinnc  Identity Verified
Local time: 12:49
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In answer to Olaf Oct 9, 2002

>I currently live in the UK and my business is registered here. Say I decided to move to France but continued to pay tax and NIC here, how would I sort out things like health insurance?



Hi Olaf,



You should be able to keep up your NI contributions if it suits you to do so but you are likely to have to start paying income tax in France. As long as you are only back in the UK for a few weeks in the year, you become \"resident for tax purposes\" in France. You would continue to pay corporation tax on any company profits in the UK. This setup makes sense for itinerant translators who might want to move from one EU country to another but keep a stable company base.



Accountants will advise you on all this kind of stuff but it can be tricky finding one able to advise you about two national systems at once. Generally they can\'t and those with the knowledge are often in the big firms like KPMG, who will also charge a lot of money. You may have to consult first with an accountant in the Uk and then another in France to make sure you are behaving above board and in a \"tax-efficient\" manner.



Health insurance is a real nightmare when you\'re freelance. You can sign up for a package with the likes of PPP but this is very expensive and does not generally cover you for much apart from emergency stuff. You may be able to make some arrangement (with a UK-issued E111 or some such thing) for a limited initial period. It\'s a bit of a grey area if you ask me, which the EU has not quite ironed out yet.



Drop us a mail if you have any other questions I might be able to help with.



Colin


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OlafK
United Kingdom
Local time: 11:49
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Thanks for your reply, Colin Oct 9, 2002

I am a sole trader, so probably I would have to move my business address to the country where I live unless I create a small company. I just thought it would be nice to benefit from the comparably low UK tax rates while having the quality of life and lower cost of living in another country like France or Germany. All my friends in France and Germany are complaining about tax and/or social security contributions, in particular the self-employed. But then they have better public services, health care, state pension... There you go. Thanks again.

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Patricia Posadas  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 11:49
Member (2002)
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No need to have the French number Oct 13, 2002

I have been working fro French agencies for years and I use my Spanish tax number. Never had the slightest problem. As I live on the frontier between France and Spain, I know several other professionals in similar situations, never heard about any problem.



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