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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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Jul 11, 2008

Hi,

Until a few months ago, I used a couple of Excel spreadsheets to keep track of my clients, orders, invoices etc. Then I discovered Translation Office 3000, and after a brief period of breaking in, absolutely loved it. It's saved me loads of time and effort in the first half of this year.

There ends the happy story. After being a veteran PC user for the last 18 years, this week I have taken the plunge and switched over to a Mac. (You may think I'm crazy, but that's another discussion...) Of course, being a translator, I use various applications that only work under Windows - but no problem, now that Macs run on Intel processors, I can happily run a virtual Windows environment and access all my specialised applications that way. So far, so good....except that for some reason, AIT have built "protection" into TO3000 which stops it being used in a virtual environment. I've contacted them about it and they've confirmed that there is no way around it.

The only option I have if I want to keep using TO3000 is to transfer it to my Windows laptop. This would be a pain, as I normally only use that machine for non translation-related stuff so it's not normally even switched on when I'm working during the day.

I've had a look at Translation Office Manager (http://www.jovo-soft.de/), and on checking with the company they have assured me that it works in a virtualised environment. But at 165 euros it's not exactly a snip, so I'm a little reluctant.

All of which to say that I urgently need to get up and running with a new system for managing clients, orders, invoices etc. I'm wondering if anyone has any advice or suggestions - either for a native Windows or Mac app that I can use, or even a home-baked system that you've put together and found to be adequate and efficient.

Thanks in advance for any tips,

Rob


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Jim Tucker  Identity Verified
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Some options Jul 11, 2008

Some programs that have copy-protection modules will not work under VM Ware Fusion - but will work under Parallels, for example (I"m not sure abt vice versa). Your Mac can easily run 2 emulators at once; you might try the other one, whichever you are running.

You could also run the TO under Boot Camp, which of course is not an emulator but then you have to reboot for use, so it's not an absolutely perfect solution. At least you can keep it on the Mac if you really need to.

In any case, it's hard to get into the groove of new software when you have something that really works. In such a situation I would consider using the Win laptop as a specialized machine for this purpose.

(There is a third program for Mac, Crossover, which is not quite an emulator in the same class as the other two: it runs Win programs straight from the Mac OS. It will not run all programs, but might be worth a try here. I would emphasize that I have never used this one - and even tried, but failed, to get it to work, but I mention it here just for the sake of completeness.)


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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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Thanks for your suggestions Jul 11, 2008

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your suggestions.

Some programs that have copy-protection modules will not work under VM Ware Fusion - but will work under Parallels, for example (I"m not sure abt vice versa). Your Mac can easily run 2 emulators at once; you might try the other one, whichever you are running.


It had occurred to me that I might try Parallels. However, this is not a case of an application just not working under Fusion; the makers have specifically stopped it from working on any virtual machine. So I think this is a no go.

You could also run the TO under Boot Camp, which of course is not an emulator but then you have to reboot for use, so it's not an absolutely perfect solution. At least you can keep it on the Mac if you really need to.


Thought about this too, but really need to be able to use Windows and OS X alongside each other rather than booting into them separately.

In any case, it's hard to get into the groove of new software when you have something that really works. In such a situation I would consider using the Win laptop as a specialized machine for this purpose.


I may yet end up doing this...if I can't find a better solution.

(There is a third program for Mac, Crossover, which is not quite an emulator in the same class as the other two: it runs Win programs straight from the Mac OS. It will not run all programs, but might be worth a try here. I would emphasize that I have never used this one - and even tried, but failed, to get it to work, but I mention it here just for the sake of completeness.)


Hmmm.... thanks for the reminder - I'd heard of this but then forgotten about it. Might be worth looking into.

Rob


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Jim Tucker  Identity Verified
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an angle Jul 11, 2008

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It had occurred to me that I might try Parallels. However, this is not a case of an application just not working under Fusion; the makers have specifically stopped it from working on any virtual machine. So I think this is a no go.



I would take what they say over the phone with a grain of salt. I don't think they can engineer the whole program in this way; it's likely just a copy-protection module that is throwing a monkey wrench into the works. Personally, I'd try it the other way with a trial version of Parallels, just in case.

J


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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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You may be right.... Jul 11, 2008

....just wondering whether I have the stomach for setting up Parallels. It took me quite a while to get my XP installation exported from my PC and imported into Fusion. Might give it a try...

Rob


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Claudia Alvis  Identity Verified
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TransProCalc Jul 11, 2008

Maybe you should take a look at TransProCalc developed by Anthony Baldwin. I don't use it because I have TO3000, but I've installed it and it's pretty good. It's also Mac-compatible and free.

http://www.proz.com/forum/business_issues/97319-free_translation_project_mgmt_and_financial_software.html


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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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Thanks, Claudia.... Jul 11, 2008

....I'll definitely check it out.

Rob


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Jim Tucker  Identity Verified
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might not be so hard Jul 11, 2008

Rob Grayson wrote:

....just wondering whether I have the stomach for setting up Parallels. It took me quite a while to get my XP installation exported from my PC and imported into Fusion. Might give it a try...

Rob


It's easier just to run a bare XP installation without worrying about extras - particularly if, for the moment, you're just looking at this program. Shouldn't take more than 15-20 minutes total (faster than installing on a Win machine).


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Karin Adamczyk  Identity Verified
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I would definitely check Parallels Jul 12, 2008

Rob Grayson wrote:

It had occurred to me that I might try Parallels. However, this is not a case of an application just not working under Fusion; the makers have specifically stopped it from working on any virtual machine. So I think this is a no go.

Rob


I also recently switched over to Mac -- no you're not crazy at all. I only wish I'd done it sooner and saved myself a lot of time and headaches

Anyway, I know a translator who is using Translation Office 3000 with Parallels. She had originally decided on VMWare Fusion, but someone told her she would need Parallels to run TO 3000 and I know it works for her. Maybe there is a recent development in the latest version that makes it impossible to run in any virtualization environment, but you could ask on the MacLingua list. She is there and could tell you which version of TO 3000 she is using.

I am not absolutely sure, but I think there are others on that list also using this combination. There are a lot of very helpful people on that list.

To visit your group on the web, go to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MacLingua/

HTH,
Karin Adamczyk


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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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Thanks, Karin Jul 12, 2008

Thanks for the tip, Karin - I've joined the MaLingua group and am just waiting for my membership to be approved.

So far I have had zero success with Parallels. I tried Fusion first, and managed to install it and load a full cloned version of my PC setup with minimum fuss. The only issue I have is not being able to use TO3000. So I tried Parallels, as various people have suggested. I used the Transporter utility to import my Fusion virtual machine into Parallels, but after successfully completing the import (or so it says), each time I try to load the VM in Parallels I get an error message about a missing file. I've searched the internet and the Parallels forums, but have not found any straightforward or even comprehensible answer.

I also get the feeling from reading around the forums that the general level of support and professionalism around Parallels is much lower than for Fusion. So far I'm pretty impressed with Fusion. Apart from the TO3000 issue, which is, of course, not caused by Fusion but by AIT choosing to block its use on virtual machines.

I know I could try a fresh Windows installation in Parallels just to try TO3000. I'll think about it.


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Jim Tucker  Identity Verified
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Fresh install! Jul 12, 2008

It looks as if you'll have better luck if you don't try to import the VM into Parallels- just run a fresh Windows install in it.

J


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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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First impressions count... Jul 12, 2008

Hey Jim,

Yes, Im sure you're right that a fresh install in Parallels would be more successful. However, as I indicated above, the more I research these two solutions, the more reasons I find to stick with Fusion and steer clear of Parallels. The overall impression I have is that Fusion is more stable, faster (though with some variations depending on OS) and certainly better supported.

If it wasn't for this wretched TO3000 issue, it would be a no-brainer!

Rob


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Karin Adamczyk  Identity Verified
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I was not crazy about Parallels either Jul 12, 2008

Rob Grayson wrote:

So far I have had zero success with Parallels. I tried Fusion first, and managed to install it and load a full cloned version of my PC setup with minimum fuss. The only issue I have is not being able to use TO3000. So I tried Parallels, as various people have suggested. I used the Transporter utility to import my Fusion virtual machine into Parallels, but after successfully completing the import (or so it says), each time I try to load the VM in Parallels I get an error message about a missing file. I've searched the internet and the Parallels forums, but have not found any straightforward or even comprehensible answer.



I started with Parallels at first and was not crazy about it either. I found VMWare Fusion much easier to understand and it works very well.

I saw your message on MacLingua so I'm sure you will have more definite info soon. The translator I mentioned is currently in her summer residence in Sweden, but she is working and I am sure she will respond soon


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Jim Tucker  Identity Verified
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Just one more button - you can use multiple vitrualizers simultaneously. Jul 12, 2008

Rob Grayson wrote:

Hey Jim,

Yes, Im sure you're right that a fresh install in Parallels would be more successful. However, as I indicated above, the more I research these two solutions, the more reasons I find to stick with Fusion and steer clear of Parallels. The overall impression I have is that Fusion is more stable, faster (though with some variations depending on OS) and certainly better supported.

If it wasn't for this wretched TO3000 issue, it would be a no-brainer!

Rob


All you have to do is open Parallels separately for this one program. It will appear in the dock just like VM Ware. You can easily use them both simultaneously. In the end, it's just one more button. Parallels = TO3000.


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Rob Grayson  Identity Verified
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Thanks again, Karin! Jul 12, 2008

I started with Parallels at first and was not crazy about it either. I found VMWare Fusion much easier to understand and it works very well.

I saw your message on MacLingua so I'm sure you will have more definite info soon. The translator I mentioned is currently in her summer residence in Sweden, but she is working and I am sure she will respond soon


Thanks for your help and for pointing out this group. Always nice to feel part of a community!

Rob


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