Payment in shares of the client
Thread poster: Rolf Kern

Rolf Kern  Identity Verified
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Nov 5, 2011

A translator friend of mine with another language combination has recommended me to one of his direct clients, asking me at the same time, if I would accept shares of the client as remuneration, which I rejected. Did you ever have a similar request?

Thanks
Rolf


 

neilmac  Identity Verified
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Pull ther other one Nov 5, 2011

Rolf Kern wrote:

A translator friend of mine with another language combination has recommended me to one of his direct clients, asking me at the same time, if I would accept shares of the client as remuneration, which I rejected. Did you ever have a similar request?

Thanks
Rolf


No, and I would find it highly amusing, having seen the Simpsons episode about the dot.com bubble where the internet company just printed out shares like toilet paper pay Bart and Milhouse. The client is effectively saying "I am in an unstable financial situation, but want you to work for me anyway, even though I can't pay you."

The only clients I will consider working for without cash money in return are pro-bono, such as charities or other deserving causes.


 

Gabriel Luis  Identity Verified
Spain
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Working for cash vs. working for added value/better outlooks Nov 5, 2011

"The only clients I will consider working for without cash money in return are pro-bono, such as charities or other deserving causes. [/quote]"

I have never seen this payment practice, nor it seems to me trustworthy.
On the other Hand and, although I agree with the overall orientation of this thread, I would work without DIRECT cash either for pro-bono; for improved professional practices -improving workflows and visibility. Direct cash is, from my personal point of view, not the only way to get rewarded for own time and energy.
Salud!

[Edited at 2011-11-05 10:53 GMT]


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Payment in kind, payment in royalties, etc Nov 5, 2011

Rolf Kern wrote:
...if I would accept shares of the client as remuneration.


This sounds to me similar to those cases where a self-published book author wants you to translate for royalties instead of money. The royalty thing is usually an unacceptably high risk. Whether to accept shares instead of payment is a difficult question, if you wish to consider it.

I assume payment in shares would be payment in kind, so I'm not sure how one would handle that tax-wise, and whether one would have tax problems if you manage to sell the shares for a profit, and whether you'd qualify for tax benefits if you sell the shares at a loss. For example if the shares are worth EUR 1000 when you declare it, but only EUR 750 when you sell it, would you then still end up paying income tax on the EUR 250 that you lost?

I would personally only consider payment in shares if I have experience in buying and selling shares (or in having a broker do that for me). Even then, I would not consider it unless it is only a partial payment, e.g. 75% in real money + 25% in shares.

As for conflicts of interest, I don't think it is a problem to own shares in a company that you translate for... but perhaps I'm just not thinking about this hard enough.


 

Susanna Garcia  Identity Verified
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Maybe Nov 5, 2011

But only if it was for Microsoft!

 

Thayenga  Identity Verified
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Cash vs. Shares Nov 5, 2011

Samuel Murray wrote:

Rolf Kern wrote:
...if I would accept shares of the client as remuneration.


This sounds to me similar to those cases where a self-published book author wants you to translate for royalties instead of money. The royalty thing is usually an unacceptably high risk. Whether to accept shares instead of payment is a difficult question, if you wish to consider it.



Hi Rolf,

I agree with Samual - basically.

The only time I would accept shares from a client is when that client holds a major company or if his name is Donald Trump.

All others are at your own risk, that is,

1. will you get paid?
2. are the shares worth anything?
3. how high are the taxes?

to name a few.

Best.
Thayenga


 

Charlie Bavington  Identity Verified
Local time: 23:58
French to English
Never say never :-) Nov 5, 2011

I might consider it, under the right circumstances, e.g. a reasonably reputable firm in Western Europe, the market value of the shares being higher than the cash they are replacing, the shares being easy to sell and the income easy to bring into the UK, etc.
But then I used to dabble in the stock market, so I'm not wholly adverse to the idea. It's certainly not everyone's cup of tea.


 

Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
Spain
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Always say never Nov 5, 2011

A very long time ago I accepted to do software localisation for free in exchange of a share of the income created by localised copies sold. The company I did this for was really confident that they would sell many localised copies, and I was naïve and believed them. I never saw a penny, although I can safely assume that at least several hundreds of copies of each of the software products were sold.

In these situations, it is best to apply the saying that a bird in the hand is worth more than a hundred in the sky.

If their shares is all they are able to offer to their suppliers, what success can you expect from them?


 

Teresa Borges
Portugal
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No, not even for Donald Trump Nov 6, 2011

Thayenga wrote:

The only time I would accept shares from a client is when that client holds a major company or if his name is Donald Trump.


As he - or companies that bear his name - have declared bankruptcy four times!


 


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