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Blue Board and Low Rates
Thread poster: Doan Quang

Doan Quang  Identity Verified
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Sep 22, 2016

I received a request for collaboration from an agency on Proz.com and I provided all information including rates per request, then I got a reply that they only offer USD0.03 per word.

I am wondering how could this agency have avg. 5 for all 201 entries? May I give them an entry for extremely low rates?

[Edited at 2016-09-22 14:59 GMT]


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John Fossey  Identity Verified
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The BB WWA scale is not about rates Sep 22, 2016

The BlueBoard rating only relates to whether colleagues are willing to work with them again. It has nothing to do with rates. You can only give them a rating based on whether you are willing to work with them again. If you accepted a rate of $0.03 per word and they paid it, then this is not a basis for a low rating, since you entered into an agreement with them and they respected it.

On the other hand, the question could be asked, why would you accept a rate of $0.03? They are free to offer any rate they want, just like you are free to reject any rate you want.


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Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
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Agree Sep 22, 2016

John Fossey wrote:

The BlueBoard rating only relates to whether colleagues are willing to work with them again. It has nothing to do with rates. You can only give them a rating based on whether you are willing to work with them again. If you accepted a rate of $0.03 per word and they paid it, then this is not a basis for a low rating, since you entered into an agreement with them and they respected it.

On the other hand, the question could be asked, why would you accept a rate of $0.03? They are free to offer any rate they want, just like you are free to reject any rate you want.


Agree. High or low rates do not make an agency good or bad. You may accept or reject them.


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Doan Quang  Identity Verified
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How to avoid wasting time in the future Sep 22, 2016

John Fossey wrote:

The BlueBoard rating only relates to whether colleagues are willing to work with them again. It has nothing to do with rates. You can only give them a rating based on whether you are willing to work with them again. If you accepted a rate of $0.03 per word and they paid it, then this is not a basis for a low rating, since you entered into an agreement with them and they respected it.

On the other hand, the question could be asked, why would you accept a rate of $0.03? They are free to offer any rate they want, just like you are free to reject any rate you want.


Hi John,

I definitely did not accept this rate, but my replies came from good Blue Board records (5 of all 201 entries), and I just want to check how much should I rely on Blue Board records in order to avoid my wasting time in the future?

[Edited at 2016-09-22 15:21 GMT]


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esperantisto  Identity Verified
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No, you may not Sep 22, 2016

Doan Quang wrote:

May I give them an entry for extremely low rates?


This question is clearly answered in the BlueBoard overview:
http://www.proz.com/blueboard/?sp_mode=faq
…as well as many other questions.


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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@Doan Sep 22, 2016

Doan Quang wrote:
I definitely did not accept this rate, but my replies came from good Blue Board records (5 of all 201 entries), and I just want to check how much should I rely on Blue Board records in order to avoid my wasting time in the future?


You should rely on the Blue Board to provide you with the type of information that the Blue Board was designed to provide. The Blue Board is not meant to provide information about how much an agency pays. You can also contact the people who gave the agency ratings to ask them for more information about the agency.

Doan Quang wrote:
May I give them an entry for extremely low rates?


Yes, you may, but only after you've worked for them on at least one job. I disagree with John somewhat, in that you are under no obligation to give them a high rating simply because you accepted their rate. You can still complain about the rate, even if you accepted it.


[Edited at 2016-09-22 16:34 GMT]


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Monika Gromm  Identity Verified
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how reliable is BB Sep 22, 2016

Doan Quang wrote:
I definitely did not accept this rate, but my replies came from good Blue Board records (5 of all 201 entries), and I just want to check how much should I rely on Blue Board records in order to avoid my wasting time in the future?

[Edited at 2016-09-22 15:21 GMT]


My personal opinion - be careful with BB. It says nothing about the rates and it is not the purpose of BB. BB is about the client paying or not and following the agreement. BUT.

I found a customer here on proz and he never paid. He was "clever" enough to write me an e-mail that he was very satisfied but he wouldn't pay and I couldn't do anything about it. A bitter thing but so far so good. I made a BB entry and forgot the case. Until I was contacted by the proz staff 3 months later asking me, if the client had paid after all because if he did, they would be happy to edit my BB. Nope, he did not pay. But then I checked his BB and noticed another 1 rating, which was given to the guy a few days before by someone else. So my question is - did they want to edit my BB to a higher note if he had paid after 3 months? Then the client would have a recent 1 and a recent "3" from me. Still a poor rating but definitely looking better than an average of 1. Which makes me doubt the purpose of BB after all.


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jyuan_us  Identity Verified
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Another question to ask Sep 22, 2016

John Fossey wrote:

On the other hand, the question could be asked, why would you accept a rate of $0.03? They are free to offer any rate they want, just like you are free to reject any rate you want.


How come 201 linguists who have been paid around 0.03 per word have all given this agency a score of 5?

That's the issue. So OP's question is well grounded.

[Edited at 2016-09-22 20:36 GMT]


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Lingua 5B  Identity Verified
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You can't, in terms of the rate. Sep 22, 2016

Doan Quang wrote:

John Fossey wrote:

The BlueBoard rating only relates to whether colleagues are willing to work with them again. It has nothing to do with rates. You can only give them a rating based on whether you are willing to work with them again. If you accepted a rate of $0.03 per word and they paid it, then this is not a basis for a low rating, since you entered into an agreement with them and they respected it.

On the other hand, the question could be asked, why would you accept a rate of $0.03? They are free to offer any rate they want, just like you are free to reject any rate you want.


Hi John,

I definitely did not accept this rate, but my replies came from good Blue Board records (5 of all 201 entries), and I just want to check how much should I rely on Blue Board records in order to avoid my wasting time in the future?

[Edited at 2016-09-22 15:21 GMT]


I also applied on projects based on perfect 5 BB score by many translators, but would then be offered to work for 0.01 per word.


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Lingua 5B  Identity Verified
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Because Sep 22, 2016

jyuan_us wrote:

John Fossey wrote:

On the other hand, the question could be asked, why would you accept a rate of $0.03? They are free to offer any rate they want, just like you are free to reject any rate you want.


How come 201 linguists who have been paid around 0.03 per word have all given this agency a score of 5?

That's the issue. So OP's question is well grounded.

[Edited at 2016-09-22 20:36 GMT]


they are happy to get any work at whatever rate.


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Walter Landesman  Identity Verified
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Not the issue Sep 22, 2016

jyuan_us wrote:

How come 201 linguists who have been paid around 0.03 per word have all given this agency a score of 5?

That's the issue. So OP's question is well grounded.

[Edited at 2016-09-22 20:36 GMT]


NO, that is NOT the issue. Please bother reading above or the Blue Board rules. 201 translators have worked for that agency, have agreed on a certain rate, had maybe nice PMs and were paid promptly. That's it. That's what the BB is about, not about rates, but about reilability and honesty. Rates are agreed among the parties involved.


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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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Exactly Sep 22, 2016

Doan Quang wrote:

How to avoid wasting time in the future


That would add great value to the BB. Please also see: http://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_job_systems/306359-multidimensional_blue_board_score.html


Walter Landesman wrote:

jyuan_us wrote:

How come 201 linguists who have been paid around 0.03 per word have all given this agency a score of 5?

That's the issue. So OP's question is well grounded.

[Edited at 2016-09-22 20:36 GMT]


NO, that is NOT the issue. Please bother reading above or the Blue Board rules. 201 translators have worked for that agency, have agreed on a certain rate, had maybe nice PMs and were paid promptly. That's it. That's what the BB is about, not about rates, but about reilability and honesty. Rates are agreed among the parties involved.


YES Walter, that IS the issue, as far as this thread is concerned, and there are people who do consider that an issue and a shortcoming in the BB system. You evidently don't, so that's not an issue for you. Granted.

Also, what about the "reilability and honesty" of agencies that take jobs from Western clients and outsource them to Western translators at "Eastern rates"? Are you sure you want to go there?


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Álvaro Espantaleón  Identity Verified
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.... Sep 22, 2016

Let's say (as it happens) that end of month is approaching and I have made fuck all, so out of desperation I decide to work with that agency offering 0.03. I do the job, etc. Later on I go to the Blue Board and enter 1 as my willingness to work with them is very low given their insulting rates. Voilà, here we have a plausible connection between low rates and the Blue Board. Could it be?

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Lingua 5B  Identity Verified
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Saw it sometimes but rarely. Sep 22, 2016

Alvaro Espantaleon wrote:

Let's say (as it happens) that end of month is approaching and I have made fuck all, so out of desperation I decide to work with that agency offering 0.03. I do the job, etc. Later on I go to the Blue Board and enter 1 as my willingness to work with them is very low given their insulting rates. Voilà, here we have a plausible connection between low rates and the Blue Board. Could it be?


Rarely have I seen comments regarding low rates on BB, but when I did I steered away immediately. It was like the hot stove, just conditioned response.

Btw, it is not likely that you would be paid without problems and reminders by an agency that pays 0.03. So you would certainly have other kind of negative comments to add to your entry.


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Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
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How not to waste your time in the future Sep 23, 2016

Simple: ask them upfront whether your usual rate is an acceptable starting point in the negotiation about the job/cooperation. I always report my rates beforehand and supply information and fill forms only after it has been explicitely established that they are willing to pay my rate (or around that rate).

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