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Is there a demand for a translation memory exchange?
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deutschenglisch  Identity Verified
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Mar 7

It would allow translators to upload and download memories or parts of memories for a fee (per memory and or subscription based).
Qualities of memories would be open to inspection before purchase.
Memories categories intro language pairs and subject area.

One way would be to grant uploaders access to 2x other uploaded materials.


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Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
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Confidentiality problem Mar 7

How would you expect to do this without breaching a zillion non-disclosure agreements and general privacy laws?

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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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Confidentiality Mar 7

Would you, as a client, trust a translator who basically sold the same work they did for you to an unspecified number of other people?

This, without considering the more strictly legal implications of what you're suggesting...


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Michael Beijer  Identity Verified
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it's been tried several times already Mar 7

See e.g.:

http://www.ttmem.com/)
https://www.tausdata.org/
• Wordfast's "VLTM" (Very Large TM); see: http://www.fit-europe.org/vault/barcelone/Champollion.pdf
https://www.proz.com/forum/prozcom_translator_coop/110929-clients_large_translation_companies_now_talking_about_pooling_linguistic_data_should_we_be_there.html (very relevant thread)

and something similar: http://opus.nlpl.eu/

Michael

[Edited at 2018-03-07 19:50 GMT]



[Edited at 2018-03-07 20:00 GMT]


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deutschenglisch  Identity Verified
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Yes that legal argument Mar 7

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

How would you expect to do this without breaching a zillion non-disclosure agreements and general privacy laws?


Indeed that would have to be considered but its not impossible.
Wondering whether people would like to see it especially for specialist terminology.


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deutschenglisch  Identity Verified
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thanks Mar 7

Michael Joseph Wdowiak Beijer wrote:

See e.g.:

http://www.ttmem.com/
https://www.tausdata.org/

and something similar: http://opus.nlpl.eu/

Michael

[Edited at 2018-03-07 19:31 GMT]


thanks! Must be a good idea then.
Will check them out.
My suspicion is that the last remaining obstacle would be legal.


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deutschenglisch  Identity Verified
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That is but one way of looking at it Mar 7

Mirko Mainardi wrote:

Would you, as a client, trust a translator who basically sold the same work they did for you to an unspecified number of other people?

This, without considering the more strictly legal implications of what you're suggesting...


Thank you for the client's perspective


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The Misha
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Ahem... this would be like bringing in from the street a couch someone threw out Mar 7

that may or may not contain bed bugs.

But doesn't this place already have a subsidiary that seems to be doing just that, sharing and swapping TMs? Town something?


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Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
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Terminology Mar 7

deutschenglisch wrote:

Thomas T. Frost wrote:

How would you expect to do this without breaching a zillion non-disclosure agreements and general privacy laws?


Indeed that would have to be considered but its not impossible.
Wondering whether people would like to see it especially for specialist terminology.


Terminology is something else. That would be a term base or glossary, not a translation memory.

Then it would be a question of how reliable term bases from sources of unknown quality would be. I'm not sure I'd be interested.

As for the translation memories, as Mirko said, I would not want to be seen to be selling my clients' confidential documents or even suspected of doing it, which is one reason I am not to be found at TM Town (despite their term extraction algorithm). Would you want to consult a doctor or lawyer who was selling your personal files in one way or another? The problem is not just legal, but also ethical.


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DZiW
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waving a dead chicken Mar 7

As far as all so-called "translation tools and know-how's" are but prompting--be it glossaries, TM's, auto-suggestions, MT and so on--it's up to the translator to choose and decide.

NDA? Just remove names and numbers, clean the timestamps up, and reset the author/remarks. That's it.


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Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
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No that's not it Mar 7

DZiW wrote:

NDA? Just remove names and numbers, clean the timestamps up, and reset the author/remarks. That's it.


That's not enough. You would still be publishing texts that belong to someone else, most likely committing copyright infringement and you would most likely still be violating privacy laws and NDAs.

I don't understand such an urge to sell other people's property. Would you also sell your neighbour's furniture if he asked you to water his plants for a week?


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DZiW
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define:text Mar 7

Thomas, you're taking things far too over-seriously.

First of all, the key word is TEXT (e.g. a coherent sequence of statements and ideas with different logical, grammatical, stylistic, lexical and other connections and references--with a certain purpose and the main idea), while segments in TM's are but separate words, phrases, sentences, or rarely paragraphs--much lower level, NOT text.

Ok, are you really pretty sure that you could re-create the TEXT from a TM of several 5K+ texts, with names/dates/numbers/timestamps removed and TU's re-arranged or NOT? Self-obvious.
That's why it's extremely unlikely to prove the NDA breaching and I also see no wrongdoing here.

A grand says you are mistaken, how about a bet? I accept bitcoins too


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Thomas T. Frost  Identity Verified
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Text or sentence Mar 8

Have you heard about the new General Data Protection Regulation for the EU? It concerns you too if you are handling personal data belonging to EU residents, and it is accompanied with fines for failure to apply it.

You may say an individual translator is unlikely to be fined, but this is not a question of how likely one is to be caught out, but about respecting the rights and property of your clients.

It is also not a question of how likely an NDA breach (through selling a TM) can be proved, but of principles. Would you also shoplift if the likelihood of being caught is low? Selling data that is subject to copyright is theft. The data may be immaterial, but it is still theft.

A TM contains complete sentences. Every NDA I have seen prohibits divulging anything from the clients’ files (except for public domain information, etc.).

You would have to break up the sentences so much that no sentence is recognisable any more, and be sure to remove all traces of personal and confidential information to make this work. Is it really worth the trouble? What do you think you can get for a TM of unknown quality?

Again, I don't understand the urge to make a few bucks if it means violating NDAs, other agreements and laws.


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Andy Watkinson
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Why? Mar 8

NDAs, TMs, MT, TUs, Data Protection laws.... Nobody here is talking about what to me is the most important thing.

Why on earth would I, or anyone else, want to sell, for a relative pittance, something which has taken us decades to acquire?

You are free to come and take from my cold, almost dead, hands the sum total of my accumulated knowledge and "whathaveyou", provided you pay me and mine enough to live comfortably for the next couple of decades....

Any takers?


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DZiW
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logic bomb fallacy Mar 8

Thomas, no furniture, laws or shoplifting rumbles: you--as a language specialist--did admit that you cannot recreate clients' texts from translators' TMs and NDA is just irrelevant therefore.
One should tell parts and elements from the whole. When did the letters and punctuation become someone's property and how many 'fuzzy' matches are there in 'private' texts, I wonder?
Without specific data (names/dates/numbers/sequence) all the words and sentences become depersonalized--just common information.
It's too generalized to dis/prove anything, let alone my TMs is still my work.

So far, what really concerns me is the quality, specifics and re-usability of others' TMs.
Frankly, I wouldn't buy it, yet I might consider acquiring one if it's really worthy or in a new field for me.

P.S. So, you spared $1000, yes?)

Andy, usually a decent TM is far more expensive than 'just a few bucks' and usually involves cooperation (or implies rivals).

[Edited at 2018-03-08 02:09 GMT]


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