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Sending certificates/diplomas ?
Thread poster: Lian Pang

Lian Pang  Identity Verified
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May 28

Good Monday folks !

Recently I've seen quite a few job posting asking service providers to send in their diplomas / relevant certificates. I have never been a fan of doing so as I consider diplomas sensitive information. Especially the serial number and birthday.

What do you think ? Have you ever sent your diplomas/certificates to agencies/clients ? Should we avoid such clients all together ?


 

Eva Stoppa  Identity Verified
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You are not applying for a job May 28

Why do they need your diplomas? You aren't applying for a job. There have been cases where agencies asked for degree certificates in order to apply for some projects -- say -- by the European Union. Once they got awarded the project, they used cheaper translators without any qualification.

 

Lian Pang  Identity Verified
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huh May 28

Eva Stoppa wrote:

Once they got awarded the project, they used cheaper translators without any qualification.


Shouldn't that be considered as fraudulent conduct ?


 

Lincoln Hui  Identity Verified
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Birthday? May 28

Your diploma has a birthday on it?

I don't see anything wrong with this on principle; most professionals display their diplomas in their office. I just can't be bothered to dig them up for just one potential client out of dozens on the year, even though I'm sure I have a scan lying around somewhere.

[Edited at 2018-05-28 10:02 GMT]


 

Lian Pang  Identity Verified
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Yep May 28

Lincoln Hui wrote:

Your diploma has a birthday on it?


Yep. It does have my birthday.


 

Christophe Delaunay  Identity Verified
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I love innocence :-o May 28

Lian Pang wrote:

Eva Stoppa wrote:

Once they got awarded the project, they used cheaper translators without any qualification.


Shouldn't that be considered as fraudulent conduct ?


 

Marjolein Snippe  Identity Verified
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No problem May 28

I am usually happy to send my diplomas, although I don't always see the relevance.
What is the point of having a diploma if you don't allow anyone to see it?


 

Woodstock  Identity Verified
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It might be a way to confirm you are not a fraud May 28

I suspect it's to make sure you are who you say you are in light of the abuses when scammers steal a translator's CV to get jobs (and then do shoddy work or machine translation). It's much harder / impossible to steal certificates! Can you cover up the information you don't want to reveal without too much hassle? I wouldn't have a problem with it if that were possible.

 

Teresa Borges
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I don't send my diplomas! May 28

I don’t send any of my diplomas; they are no longer relevant for the simple reason that I’ve been translating for over 40 years and I earned most of them some 50 years ago. Anyway, I think that my diplomas are in a box that I never unpacked when I moved from Brussels to Lisbon...

 

Lian Pang  Identity Verified
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Identity theft May 28

Woodstock wrote:

I suspect it's to make sure you are who you say you are in light of the abuses when scammers steal a translator's CV to get jobs (and then do shoddy work or machine translation). It's much harder / impossible to steal certificates! Can you cover up the information you don't want to reveal without too much hassle? I wouldn't have a problem with it if that were possible.


I understand that it might be a concern for the clients. If I had an office, I'd display it on the wall without a problem. But I do have second thoughts about sending a scan to a client I don't know . I worry that it might get manipulated by scammers even if I blur out the sensitive info.


 

José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
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Scams & other tricks May 28

Degrees seem to be extremely important in scam-generating countries. A significant number of scam e-mails I get begin with My name is Attorney Mwamba Robada... If I intended to reply, I'd feel tempted to write Dear Attorney, may I call you Tony?

On another front, there seems to be a widespread demand for 'people who can wing at translation for despicable rates', whose delivery I've had the chance to witness... their quality being roughly equivalent to the raw output of free online machine translation, or worse, though the nature of the flaws will be different.

I wondered... Why do such bottom feeders hire cheap, lo-grade translation labor, if they could get about the same result from free online machine translation? The only answer I got so far is BLAME. They are not hiring translators, but merely scapegoats.

If an end-client complains, say, in a technical translation, that something like "chevron packing" was translated as "military rank stuffing" in the target language (YES! I've seen this very one happen, back in the early 1970s), they might challenge the translator's credentials. When they do, the cheap agency will show a target-language-country diploma in Mechanical Engineering, to show their due diligence.

When my diplomas are required, I don't send pristine hi-res scans.

I scanned my diploma in Engineering in lo-res, from a not-so-neat Xerox copy, with some notarial stamps on the reverse side showing through. No chance they'll even guess the size of the original parchment.

My sworn translator diploma was badly scanned from the original. Nevertheless, I tell them that it's worth nothing on its own. If they want to check it, I give them the URL where my name must be in the official directory, to evidence that I am STILL licensed as such.

In both cases, though the diplomas are easily readable, not even the best Photoshop artist would be able to rebuild these scans to look like originals, much less to replace my name there with any other without making it stand out like a sore thumb.

If their intentions are good, they can see and read these diplomas. Otherwise, they'll delete them pronto.


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
Netherlands
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Simply cross out any sensitive information May 28

Lian Pang wrote:
Recently I've seen quite a few job posting asking service providers to send in their diplomas / relevant certificates. I have never been a fan of doing so as I consider diplomas sensitive information. Especially the serial number and birthday.


Such clients usually want to see an image of something that looks like a diploma, with your name somewhere on it.

If the diploma contains sensitive information, make a copy of it and cross out the sensitive information. If the diploma is a JPG image, you can use an image program to hide the sensitive information. For example, in XnView, select the text you want to hide, then use Filter > Effects and choose e.g. the "spread" effect.

There is nothing wrong with asking for identifying evidence or evidence of your qualifications. There is no need to avoid such clients.


 

Lian Pang  Identity Verified
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indeed May 28

Samuel Murray wrote:

There is nothing wrong with asking for identifying evidence or evidence of your qualifications. There is no need to avoid such clients.



Thank you ! I think I indeed have been overly cautious on this front.


 

Lian Pang  Identity Verified
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great tips ! May 28

José Henrique Lamensdorf wrote:

Degrees seem to be extremely important in scam-generating countries. A significant number of scam e-mails I get begin with My name is Attorney Mwamba Robada... If I intended to reply, I'd feel tempted to write Dear Attorney, may I call you Tony?

On another front, there seems to be a widespread demand for 'people who can wing at translation for despicable rates', whose delivery I've had the chance to witness... their quality being roughly equivalent to the raw output of free online machine translation, or worse, though the nature of the flaws will be different.

I wondered... Why do such bottom feeders hire cheap, lo-grade translation labor, if they could get about the same result from free online machine translation? The only answer I got so far is BLAME. They are not hiring translators, but merely scapegoats.

If an end-client complains, say, in a technical translation, that something like "chevron packing" was translated as "military rank stuffing" in the target language (YES! I've seen this very one happen, back in the early 1970s), they might challenge the translator's credentials. When they do, the cheap agency will show a target-language-country diploma in Mechanical Engineering, to show their due diligence.

When my diplomas are required, I don't send pristine hi-res scans.

I scanned my diploma in Engineering in lo-res, from a not-so-neat Xerox copy, with some notarial stamps on the reverse side showing through. No chance they'll even guess the size of the original parchment.

My sworn translator diploma was badly scanned from the original. Nevertheless, I tell them that it's worth nothing on its own. If they want to check it, I give them the URL where my name must be in the official directory, to evidence that I am STILL licensed as such.

In both cases, though the diplomas are easily readable, not even the best Photoshop artist would be able to rebuild these scans to look like originals, much less to replace my name there with any other without making it stand out like a sore thumb.

If their intentions are good, they can see and read these diplomas. Otherwise, they'll delete them pronto.


Thank you very much for your insight and tips !

Time to de-make my scans.icon_smile.gif


 

Trevino Translations
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Diplomas...they'll just have to trust me. May 28

I wouldn't feel comfortable sending copies or scans of my diplomas to complete strangers in a company I know little or nothing about. Someone could then pass it on, photoshop it, and it could end up getting used by scammers somewhere. If any company ever asks me for my diplomas, I think I'll ask to see their diplomas first. icon_wink.gif


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