Showing Rates on Profile
Thread poster: Hipyan Nopri

Hipyan Nopri  Identity Verified
Indonesia
Local time: 04:41
English to Indonesian
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Dec 9, 2006

Good afternoon everybody (now it is 1:20 pm in my country),

I cannot say which one is the majority and which one is the minority because I did not conduct a comprehensive survey both in terms of number of freelancers and language pair.

Nevertheless, based on my personal survey to the profiles on this site it can be said that some freelancers show their rates but some of them don't.

Certainly, each option involves its own reasons.

Through this forum, I would like to invite you all to discuss this matter - what is the importance of showing or not showing rates on profile?

Your participation would be really appreciated.

Best Regards

Hipyan Nopri


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Piotr Wargan  Identity Verified
Poland
Local time: 23:41
English to Polish
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Good morning (7.54 am in Poland :-) Dec 9, 2006

Both ways... must have their advantages

When I started to show my "target rate" I stopped receiving offers of co-operation. When my rates were not shown, I did receive some offers from agencies through ProZ. In many cases the agreed price was not much lower than my "target". But that is my aim to do more and more work at this, or similar, rate so I keep it shown.

Bye,
Piotr


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xxxIreneN
United States
Local time: 16:41
English to Russian
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Here is mine Dec 9, 2006

I protect myself from floodstreams of clients from all over the world seeking "popular" rates in my pair, which can start from 0.02 cents per word and 5 bucks per page. I'm touchy:-) and messages like that can ruin my day. Some of my Russian colleagues also confirm that after they did the same their mail boxes got much cleaner.

1:14 am in Houston:-)


[Edited at 2006-12-09 07:16]


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Silvia Silberstein  Identity Verified
Local time: 23:41
Spanish to English
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Extremely low rates Dec 9, 2006

I,ve noticed that many employees wish to pay extremely low fees in my pair (english to spanish). I've never received an offer since I introduced my rates in my profile. If work is large, lowering rates makes sense sometimes, but don´t know if outsorces prefer not to bother to negotiate and just don´t get in touch when they consider rates too high. I live in Spain and know that rates in my profile are at the average for experienced professionals. So, I guess outsorcers want someone less experienced...
Perhaps I should not include rates in my profile.


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Philippe Etienne  Identity Verified
Spain
Local time: 23:41
Member
English to French
Same as Silvia Dec 9, 2006

Hi Hipyan,

Showing rates hints at a basis for discussion. Since making them "public", I no longer get offers from people expecting a translator from an emerging country to offer cheap rates (oranges are cheap here, so should be translation rates, huh?).
It saves time to everybody.

On the other hand, some outsourcers seeing rates on profiles may just think they are carved in stone, and we may miss some opportunities to push our services forward.

Bon appétit,
Philippe

[Edited at 2006-12-09 11:28]


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esing
India
Local time: 03:11
Malayalam to English
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It is good to display rate Dec 9, 2006

It is 16-50 in India.

Displaying one’s rate is better to ward off unnecessary correspondence.

As for me, I have not received any enquiry. I have shown the rate. Probably outsourcers may consider it to be too expensive considering my inexperience in the field.

That does not deter me. After all it is freelance, where one is paid for the quality and quantity of work done.


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Steven Capsuto  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 17:41
Spanish to English
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Too many variables Dec 9, 2006

So many variables go into determining the rate for a job that I'd rather hold off stating an amount until I see all or part of the source text.

If the client can't or won't provide the text up front, I make an estimate based on what I know about the job: subject matter, format of the source document, complexity, repetitiveness, whether the client will do editing and proofing or if I have to hire an editor, etc.

These variables can affect pricing considerably, so anything I post on my profile would be too vague to be useful.


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William [Bill] Gray  Identity Verified
Norway
Local time: 23:41
Member (2006)
English
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Too many variables... Dec 10, 2006

I agree with Steven...

So many variables go into determining the rate for a job


I allow discounts for repeated segments after analysing the texts with TRADOS or WORDFAST, and also for number counts over 5000 and 10000. I explain all this in my bid letter, or when people approach me, saying also that in order for me to give them the best price, I will send them a binding quotation after I have seen and analysed their text.

I guess I will never know how many clients I have missed by not posting rates, but I prefer knowing that I am working with people who are willing to pay for a quality product.

Thanks for adding an interesting topic, Hipyan Nopri!

Best regards,

Bill Gray
Norway


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Hipyan Nopri  Identity Verified
Indonesia
Local time: 04:41
English to Indonesian
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TOPIC STARTER
Really Interesting Dec 10, 2006

Hi Fellow Translators,

It is really interesting to find out that showing or not showing rates on profile involves various reasons. Some received many low rate offers for not showing rates, some show rates to avoid ridiculous offers, some did not have receive any inquiry for showing rates, and some do not show rates for possible factors affecting definite rates.

As for myself, there is no significant difference between showing and not showing rates on my profile. Before showing my rates, I received both decent (particularly from clients in Europe and North America) and indecent offers (particularly from clients in Asia); after showing my rates, I also receive the same offers. Nevertheless, the number of indecent offers tends to decrease after my rates are displayed.

Indeed, my target rates on profile may be slightly different (may be lower or higher) from the actual rates, depending on number of source words, technicality, turn around time, and payment immediacy. In other words, they just serve as a point of reference. By doing so, it is expected that the potential clients have been equipped with clear understanding of my translation rates before giving their offer.

Furthermore, the next question arises, "Isn't it possilbe that clients assume that a freelancer sets really low rates (much lower than the average for a certain language pair) for not showing his/her rates on profile?


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Andrea Riffo  Identity Verified
Chile
Local time: 18:41
English to Spanish
I'm also curious Dec 11, 2006

Personally I don't display rates because, like Steven and William said, I don't have a fixed rate, but perhaps that could be fixed by manually entering a range instead of using Proz's feature?


Hipyan Nopri wrote:

Furthermore, the next question arises, "Isn't it possilbe that clients assume that a freelancer sets really low rates (much lower than the average for a certain language pair) for not showing his/her rates on profile?


I had never looked at it this way, I always thought exactly the opposite: clients might think rates are not displayed because they are too high. I would also like to know what others think.


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Hipyan Nopri  Identity Verified
Indonesia
Local time: 04:41
English to Indonesian
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TOPIC STARTER
Thanks Andrea Dec 13, 2006

Let's see what others think.

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