Moving from Ireland to France for less than a year
Thread poster: Sandrine Coyon
Sandrine Coyon  Identity Verified
Local time: 16:30
English to French
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Oct 18, 2007

Hi all,

I have recently moved from Ireland to France and I intend to stay here for less than a year. As I have worked in Ireland for 7 years, I am considered as ordinarily resident there and I was told by the Irish revenue there was no problem for me to elect to remain a fiscal resident while in France. I was also told I could not keep using my Irish vat number because I am not residing in Ireland any longer.

This seemed to make sense before I arrived in France. However, I am now told by the French Revenue that in order to register for a VAT number in France, I need to register for social security with URSAAF and I will be liable for income tax in France...


As regards PRSI (Irish social security), I have been told I could get a form to prove I have paid what I owed, which should save me from paying it again in France.

At this stage, I have spoken to various people from the French revenue and several departments within URSAAF and they just don't know how to help me with regards to my income tax status.

Does anyone know if there is any mechanism that would allow me to get a French VAT number while avoiding double taxation?

Your answers will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Sandrine


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Lori Cirefice  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 17:30
French to English
Some ideas ... well brainstorming really Oct 18, 2007

According to this official site :

1) http://www.cfe.ccip.fr/index.asp?idmetapage=13&id=107&idtheme=91

You can get your N° de TVA as soon as the INSEE gives you a N° de Siret.


2) So, you first have to register with the "registre de commerce", and Urssaf etc. in order to get your Siret number. Which is what you want to avoid doing .... there must be some other way of getting a Siret number for people in your case ?

3) A question comes to mind : are you positive that you remain a fiscal resident in Ireland ? It's my understanding that physically residing in France for more than 183 days/year makes you a French fiscal resident. (disclaimer - I could be totally wrong !)

4) What I wonder is, why you can't keep your Irish VAT number, if you can keep your fiscal residency there ?

5) There must be some way for you to get a French VAT number without having to pay taxes twice... have you spoken to any of the VAT specialists in the French administration ? I know our local "service des impôts des entreprises" has a several people completely dedicated to VAT issues, and they have been helpful to me in the past regarding cross-border VAT issues.


6) Have a look here at www.eurotax.fr, I wonder if you need a fiscal rep in France, in order to get a VAT number ???


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Lori Cirefice  Identity Verified
France
Local time: 17:30
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PS Oct 18, 2007

Try posting this on the French language forum ... there may be better ideas there

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Sandrine Coyon  Identity Verified
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A VAT section within the French revenue would be helpful Oct 18, 2007

Lori Cirefice wrote:

According to this official site :

1) http://www.cfe.ccip.fr/index.asp?idmetapage=13&id=107&idtheme=91

You can get your N° de TVA as soon as the INSEE gives you a N° de Siret.


2) So, you first have to register with the "registre de commerce", and Urssaf etc. in order to get your Siret number. Which is what you want to avoid doing .... there must be some other way of getting a Siret number for people in your case ?

3) A question comes to mind : are you positive that you remain a fiscal resident in Ireland ? It's my understanding that physically residing in France for more than 183 days/year makes you a French fiscal resident. (disclaimer - I could be totally wrong !)

4) What I wonder is, why you can't keep your Irish VAT number, if you can keep your fiscal residency there ?

5) There must be some way for you to get a French VAT number without having to pay taxes twice... have you spoken to any of the VAT specialists in the French administration ? I know our local "service des impôts des entreprises" has a several people completely dedicated to VAT issues, and they have been helpful to me in the past regarding cross-border VAT issues.


6) Have a look here at www.eurotax.fr, I wonder if you need a fiscal rep in France, in order to get a VAT number ???


- I am positive that I remain a fiscal resident in Ireland as long as I spend up to 183 days in year or up to 280 days over two successive years.

- It would seem that VAT is exclusively linked to the location of your activities, no matter where your fiscal residence is (I wish it was different

- I haven't spoken to any French VAT department but I will try to find out if there is such a section.

- www.eurotax.fr seems useful for people who live outside the EU.
Thanks for your help and i'll try posting to the French forum as well.


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