Any good, free TM editors?
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Sep 15, 2009

G'day everyone

I'm looking for a program that will allow me to edit Wordfast TMs or TMX TMs smartly. You know, the type of program where you can say "mark all segments if source contains X and target does not contain Y" etc, so you can extract segments for further editing, etc. A CSV editor may also do the trick (for Wordfast files) if it respects blank fields at ends of records.

Wordfast has a built-in TM editor but it doesn't work on my computer.

Thanks
Samuel


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Jorge Payan  Identity Verified
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What about Olifant? Sep 15, 2009

It is the one I use the most. Allows you to edit WF TMs and TMX and converts beteewn them. Former versions (downloadable from the same page) also supported TRADOS 6.x .txt TMs.

http://okapi.sourceforge.net/Release/Olifant/Help/

saludos


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Mette Melchior  Identity Verified
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Yes, Olifant is good Sep 16, 2009

I have been using that for some time.

However, it doesn't seem to allow editing and adding of the TMs' attribute fields (only deleting). At least when I try, I find that the access to the properties are greyed out and only the Delete button is available. Does anybody know, if these functions are simply not supported in Olifant or am I doing something wrong?

(I read a post from 2007 on the Yahoo Group for the Okapi Tools where the developer wrote that this was not currently supported at that point. Don't know if they have maybe simply stopped developing the software, since these functions still seem to be unavailable...)

In any case, I would also very much like to hear if anyone knows of a TM editor which allows you edit/add/delete the attribute fields of the TUs as well.


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Wolfgang Jörissen  Identity Verified
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ApSIC xBench Sep 16, 2009

You might give this one a try, too.

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Mette Melchior  Identity Verified
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Can you use Xbench for more advanced TM editing? Sep 16, 2009

I am also a big fan of Apsic Xbench which is really good for QA purposes and terminology checks of both TMs and translated files, but I had never thought of it as a "TM editor".

It is true that you can perform searches based on source or target term and edit a segment directly from the interface or export the results, but as far as I know, you can't create filters and perform more advanced searches nor make global changes with the program. But please correct me if I'm wrong. I have never gotten into all the features, so I might have missed something very important


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Pablo Bouvier  Identity Verified
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Any good, free TM editors?" Sep 16, 2009

Hi, Samuel and everybody: I guess what you are looking for does not exist for free.
However, if you know quite well how to struggle with regular expressions, may be you should give a try to this afrikan tool under devlopment:

Virtaal: [url]http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/index[/b].

Good luck and nice if we get some feedback about your experience.


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That's what I was going to say Sep 16, 2009

Pablo Bouvier wrote:

Hi, Samuel and everybody: I guess what you are looking for does not exist for free.
However, if you know quite well how to struggle with regular expressions, may be you should give a try to this afrikan tool under devlopment:

Virtaal: [url]http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/virtaal/index[/b].

Good luck and nice if we get some feedback about your experience.

Well, almost. I was going to say that if you're familiar with regular expressions, you could use sed. It's a command line tool that's included in (some? all?) linux distros out of the box but it exists for other platforms as well.
The beautiful thing is that it processes text files line by line and saves its progress as it goes along. That means it can easily do a million search and replace operations in a 500 MB text file in one go because it doesn't try to load all of that into RAM or repaginate the text. Or display it, for that matter... It's a bit of a pain to use but it's a powerful tool.
It has pretty advanced search and replace with regular expressions.
For extracting stuff, you could also use grep which is perhaps a bit more user friendly.

[Edited at 2009-09-16 17:17 GMT]


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John Fossey  Identity Verified
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Excel May 19, 2010

For the record, I just successfully did some major repairs to a large scrambled WF .txt TM using.... Excel.

Worked great, let me sort, search and replace as needed, and re-exported without a hitch.

The WF TM has all data for a single segment on one line, tab delimited, which is perfectly compatible with Excel. TMX wouldn't work, though, since its XML format has many lines per segment.


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Excel not perfect for WF TMs May 19, 2010

John Fossey wrote:
The WF TM has all data for a single segment on one line, tab delimited, which is perfectly compatible with Excel.


Things that can break when you edit WF TMs in Excel: if the cell begins with an apostrophe or a single quote, the quote can be removed by Excel (because Excel uses the apostrophe or quote character as a field delimiter; if the cell begins with a hyphen, Excel can think it is a minus and then try to calculate the "formula" in the cell; if the cell begins with a number, Excel can try to treat it like a formula or like a very large number; in some cases, Excel will change date formats and number formats because it auto-corrects these things.

I sometimes edit WF TMs in MS Word -- simply select all (Ctrl+A) and go Table > Convert > Text to Table, and use a tab as the delimiter. Useful if you want to spellcheck a column of text, for example.


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Excel not perfect (bis) May 19, 2010

Samuel Murray wrote:

John Fossey wrote:
The WF TM has all data for a single segment on one line, tab delimited, which is perfectly compatible with Excel.


Things that can break when you edit WF TMs in Excel: if the cell begins with an apostrophe or a single quote, the quote can be removed by Excel (because Excel uses the apostrophe or quote character as a field delimiter; if the cell begins with a hyphen, Excel can think it is a minus and then try to calculate the "formula" in the cell; if the cell begins with a number, Excel can try to treat it like a formula or like a very large number; in some cases, Excel will change date formats and number formats because it auto-corrects these things.

I sometimes edit WF TMs in MS Word -- simply select all (Ctrl+A) and go Table > Convert > Text to Table, and use a tab as the delimiter. Useful if you want to spellcheck a column of text, for example.


Samuel, do you know by the way what to do if Excel generates formulas, especially in lines with the "=" sign (generating cells containing #NOM?) ? Is it possible to redefine the cells? I lost some time this week in exploring this problem, finally I deleted all "=" signs in Notepad before retreating in Excel.

PS: I use either WF Classic for retreating TMs, either Excel. Have Olifant too, but it seems complicated.



[Modifié le 2010-05-19 22:10 GMT]


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Excel: specify "string" value during the import wizard May 20, 2010

If a string starts with = or ' or anything that Excel might interpret specially, and you would like to tell Excel not to do so, specify so at the end of the import wizard. There are a couple of ways to launch this wizard, and the sure way is go to Data > Import External Data, and browse to the file you would like to open in Excel. If you right-click the file and open with Excel, this won't show up.

I haven't examined the WR TM files and so I cannot say this works 100 percent, though.

I don't like using this menu when there are multiple files I would like to import, and so I've been using asap utilities (http://www.asap-utilities.com/ ). It's loaded with bells and whistles and it is very convenient (saves a bunch of times especially if you don't write macros). But I must agree, the most powerful find-replace method wrt text files is regular expressions.

Rie


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