copying and pasting 'hidden' text
Thread poster: Olly Pekelharing

Olly Pekelharing  Identity Verified
Netherlands
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May 14, 2011

Hi, is there a trick for copying and pasting 'hidden' text (the translated source text with dotted underlining between the tags in CAT tools like Wordfast Classic and Trados' workbench) into third party apps. Although you can do concordance searches on this text, you can't look up the selected text fragments in other tools like dictionaries, internet, etc. by copying and pasting it (I manually type in the text I'm looking for). In particular, I'd like to be able to use this for third party conco... See more
Hi, is there a trick for copying and pasting 'hidden' text (the translated source text with dotted underlining between the tags in CAT tools like Wordfast Classic and Trados' workbench) into third party apps. Although you can do concordance searches on this text, you can't look up the selected text fragments in other tools like dictionaries, internet, etc. by copying and pasting it (I manually type in the text I'm looking for). In particular, I'd like to be able to use this for third party concordance software (xbench).

Thanks.
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Michael Beijer  Identity Verified
United Kingdom
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Might seem like overkill, May 14, 2011

... but you could use ABBYY Screenshot Reader (in FineReader 10).

Basically, I can select any area on my pc screen, and this program will automatically use OCR to copy the text to my clipboard.

For example, I just selected the area directly above where I am typing now and got this in the clipboard:

Basically, I can select any area on my pc screen, and this program will automatically use OCR to copy the text to my clipboard.
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... but you could use ABBYY Screenshot Reader (in FineReader 10).

Basically, I can select any area on my pc screen, and this program will automatically use OCR to copy the text to my clipboard.

For example, I just selected the area directly above where I am typing now and got this in the clipboard:

Basically, I can select any area on my pc screen, and this program will automatically use OCR to copy the text to my clipboard.


That is, any words on the screen that you can see can be copy/pasted.

Michael

p.s. The main reason to have FineReader is of course to convert PDFs. I have tried EVERYTHING, and this is the best program to convert PDFs into Word documents you can use directly in your CAT tool.
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Natalie  Identity Verified
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Ho Olly May 14, 2011

Simply save the file under a different name, select all text and change its properties to make all text visible.

HTH,
Natalia


 

Piotr Bienkowski  Identity Verified
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Takes time, but possible May 14, 2011

Olly Pekelharing wrote:

Hi, is there a trick for copying and pasting 'hidden' text (the translated source text with dotted underlining between the tags in CAT tools like Wordfast Classic and Trados' workbench) into third party apps. Although you can do concordance searches on this text, you can't look up the selected text fragments in other tools like dictionaries, internet, etc. by copying and pasting it (I manually type in the text I'm looking for). In particular, I'd like to be able to use this for third party concordance software (xbench).

Thanks.


Select the hidden text, temporarily disable the hidden attribute, Format - Font - Uncheck Hidden, copy, and then restore the Hidden attribute. Recording a macro for this can speed it up.

HTH

Piotr


 

FarkasAndras  Identity Verified
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Simple May 14, 2011

I had this problem back when I used Trados Workbench. The solution is to just copy the text to the clipboard first, and then hit the xbench keyboard shortcut (I use Ctrl-Alt-Ins, which I believe is the default).
Explanation: Xbench looks up selected text, and, if no text is selected, it looks up the content of the clipboard. For some reason, hidden text in Word is not recognized as selected text, but it is picked up by Xbench from the clipboard. You still won't be able to paste the text to
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I had this problem back when I used Trados Workbench. The solution is to just copy the text to the clipboard first, and then hit the xbench keyboard shortcut (I use Ctrl-Alt-Ins, which I believe is the default).
Explanation: Xbench looks up selected text, and, if no text is selected, it looks up the content of the clipboard. For some reason, hidden text in Word is not recognized as selected text, but it is picked up by Xbench from the clipboard. You still won't be able to paste the text to xbench from the clipboard, but the shortcut is more convenient anyway.

[Edited at 2011-05-14 21:34 GMT]
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Olly Pekelharing  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 13:57
Member (2009)
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Fastest way May 16, 2011

On another forum I heard the information I wanted:

Simply select the 'hidden' text, press Ctrl+backspace (converts to 'not-hidden') send to xbench or your dictionary etc., and then press Ctrl-z in the document to revert back to the tag format.

Thanks,

olly


 

FarkasAndras  Identity Verified
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? May 16, 2011

Olly Pekelharing wrote:

On another forum I heard the information I wanted:

Simply select the 'hidden' text, press Ctrl+backspace (converts to 'not-hidden') send to xbench or your dictionary etc., and then press Ctrl-z in the document to revert back to the tag format.

Thanks,

olly


Did you read my post right above yours? For Xbench lookups, you don't need to mess around with the source document. You could get inconvenient little Workbench errors if you forgot to undo the change or you pressed Ctrl-Z twice by accident, so it's best not to edit the source text if you can help it.

[Edited at 2011-05-16 10:14 GMT]


 

Olly Pekelharing  Identity Verified
Netherlands
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clipboard May 16, 2011

Hi Farkas,

Did see your post, but when I copy a selected hidden text to the clipboard (that's just a standard ctrl-c copy, right?) and then hit the xbench shortcut, it posts the selected text and a whole lot of other stuff to xbench. Possibly do do with the fact that I use Wordfast and not Trados?


 

FarkasAndras  Identity Verified
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Wordfast May 16, 2011

Olly Pekelharing wrote:

Hi Farkas,

Did see your post, but when I copy a selected hidden text to the clipboard (that's just a standard ctrl-c copy, right?) and then hit the xbench shortcut, it posts the selected text and a whole lot of other stuff to xbench. Possibly do do with the fact that I use Wordfast and not Trados?



Interesting. I'm not sure what causes it, I believe WF creates Trados-compatible bilingual documents (i.e. there should be no difference there). It could be because you selected the entire segment (along with the


 

pep
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It's a bug for MS Word 2007 May 17, 2011

Hi Olly,

It is apparently a bug in ApSIC Xbench when used with MS Word 2007 with hidden text.

If you can afford to work with MS Word 2003 as a workaround, it should not occur.

Regards,
Pep.


 

Olly Pekelharing  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 13:57
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Thanks Pep May 17, 2011

Thanks Pep,

I'll report it to them.


 


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