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Recommend a good GUI-based aligner with correction features
Thread poster: Artem Vakhitov

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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Nov 9, 2015

Can you recommend a good, free or inexpensive GUI-based aligner with alignment correction features?

I mostly use WinAlign from SDL Trados Studio 2011 and like it when it does work, but recently it started to crash on me before even giving me a chance to save/export anything. LFAligner is not bad, but the GUI for corrections is confusing and error-prone. Any other options?

"Inexpensive" is whatever you think it is for a freelancing pro.


 

Andriy Bublikov  Identity Verified
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ABBYY Aligner Nov 9, 2015

Artem, you can try ABBYY Aligner

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBYY_Aligner


[Modifié le 2015-11-09 15:08 GMT]


 

Michael Beijer  Identity Verified
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Thanks for the tip! Nov 9, 2015

Andriy Bublikov wrote:

Artem, you can try ABBYY Aligner

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBYY_Aligner


[Modifié le 2015-11-09 15:08 GMT]


Thanks for the tip Andriy,

I didn't know that "Aligner 2.0 Freelance" was free for freelance translators!

Michael


 

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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Will try ABBYY Nov 9, 2015

Andriy Bublikov wrote:

Artem, you can try ABBYY Aligner

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ABBYY_Aligner


[Modifié le 2015-11-09 15:08 GMT]


Thank you, I've sent a request to ABBYY.


 

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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English to Russian
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ABBYY Aligner: First impressions—Why all the empty paras? Nov 9, 2015

I have downloaded and installed ABBYY Aligner and now am trying to align two documents.

The first thing I've noticed is that while the program produces results quickly, the results contain lots of empty paragraphs inside a segment, which I haven't experienced with WinAlign or LFAligner. Luckily, it does provide an opportunity to delete them using Replace function ("^p" wildcard), but this is rather slow. In fact, the two documents I'm aligning contain about 500,000 characters together, and the replacement has already taken at least 15 min, and not even half of the work is done, given that the 1st target segment hasn't been replaced yet.


 

Rodolfo Raya  Identity Verified
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Stingray Nov 9, 2015

Get a free 30 days trial of Stingray Document Aligner from http://www.maxprograms.com/products/stingray.html

Regards,
Rodolfo


 

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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Trying Stingray now Nov 9, 2015

Rodolfo Raya wrote:

Get a free 30 days trial of Stingray Document Aligner from http://www.maxprograms.com/products/stingray.html

Regards,
Rodolfo


Thanks, trying it now.


 

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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Stingray results: Negative Nov 9, 2015

I didn't like the initial alignment results with Stingray, nor did I like the correction UI. YMMV.

 

Kevin Dias
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Alignment option Nov 9, 2015

Hi Artem,

It sounds like the documents you are trying to align are rather long; however, if you have documents that are less than ~500 segments you might want to try TM-Town's alignment tool. Here is a video, you can see the GUI tool in action starting around 0:50.

It allows you to drag and drop segments, merge, split, delete, or edit the text of a segment and the vertical height of the boxes will resize after a change so that the source segment you are looking at on the left will be directly across from the target segment it will be aligned with on the right.

The GUI tool is limited to documents with less than 500 segments as it relies heavily on the performance of your browser (and thus your computer's CPU) to do calculations such as the resizing after a change. Therefore if your documents are large this would not be an option.

Kevin


 

Meta Arkadia
Local time: 04:26
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bitext2tmx Nov 10, 2015

I downloaded b2t a minute ago. It's free and cross-platform. There isn't much more I can tell you about it at this moment, but it looks like this:

b2t.png

Andras' LF_Aligner is pretty good, but for OS X, it lacks the GUI. So far, I prefer Kevin TM-Town's aligner, to the point it's probably worth the effort to split large files, and to merge the resulting TMX files.

TM%20Align.png

Cheers,

Hans


 

Meta Arkadia
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It's a worry Nov 10, 2015

We first tried three merged files - more than 400 segments, around 5,000 words - in TM-Town. That wasn't feasible, it took way too long, as predicted by Kevin.

We then used bitext2tmx for the same file. It's horrible. The window is way too small, and the fact that all segments look the same led us (that's my daughter and me, and she does the actual work, of course) to the conclusion that dealing with the separate files in TM-Town would be both a lot faster and a lot better.

We then aligned the files using Andras' LF_Aligner, and did the editing in Heartsome's TMXEditor (also free). That wasn't too bad, except for the fact that TMXEditor lacks basic functionalities like join/split, and move up/down. It was doable, though. On a PC, you can edit the aligned files in LF_Aligner which does have the basic functions TMXEditor is lacking, but the interface looks like bitext2tmx, and as far as I know there's no edit interface at all for OS X (however, there is a choice in the Terminal to "Review", will try that tomorrow).

So far, the conclusion is that TM-Town is superior. There's a strong rumour Kevin is going to allow for batch editing. Now if that is true, and if you can upload large files to align that will then be split for editing, that would be our choice so far. Without a shadow of a doubt.

Cheers,

Hans


 

Kevin Dias
Local time: 06:26
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TM-Town aligner updated Nov 17, 2015

Today I released an updated version of TM-Town's alignment tool which should be able to support much longer documents (up to 4,000 segments). It is a lot more lightweight than the previous version (while still maintaining the same functionality) so it should also load smaller documents more quickly as well.

Kevin


 

Meta Arkadia
Local time: 04:26
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Confirmed Nov 17, 2015

Kevin Dias wrote:
...TM-Town's alignment tool which should be able to support much longer documents


Tried a minute ago with more than 600 TUs/1,200 segments. No problems at all.

Cheers,

Hans


 

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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English to Russian
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Excellent news Nov 17, 2015

Kevin Dias wrote:

Today I released an updated version of TM-Town's alignment tool which should be able to support much longer documents (up to 4,000 segments). It is a lot more lightweight than the previous version (while still maintaining the same functionality) so it should also load smaller documents more quickly as well.

Kevin


Interesting, will try your tool.


 

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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My take on TM Town alignment tool Nov 17, 2015

Here's what I think about TM-Town alignment tool.

The reference documents I tried it on are fairly large and complex (38,368Kw/3120seg source vs. 46,638Kw/2864seg per TM-Town), but still I think manageable.

What was good:

- Uploading and processing took a reasonable time, smth. like 5 min each document.

- After I clicked Align, alignment results were available real quick, too.

- The UI controls for alignment correction are intuitive.

Where's the room for improvement:

- Too much space is wasted for the same UI controls and spacing, yet segment fields are too small for the text, so they get scroll bars and I often cannot see the entire content of the segment without scrolling.

- There are too few segments on the page spaced too far from each other, which hurts readability and the context, something that is extremely important when correcting the alignment results as opposed to editing a TM with a loosely related set of segments.

- The initial segment count difference of about 10% got my attention. I looked at the end of the document, and sure enough, it was a mess there with source and target mixed in the target column.

- With operations such as segment splitting, the response time of a control was like several seconds—not acceptable.

I think that this tool has potential, but in the current form it's not quite ready for prime time.

UPDATE:
P.S.: Please disregard point 2 in "Where's the room for improvement". I've just realized that this was caused by a peculiar structure of the final section of the target document which, while making sense from the practical POV, is bound to confuse just about any aligner. Sorry for that.

[Edited at 2015-11-17 23:19 GMT]


 
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