Urgent help needed with alignment or alternative workflow
Thread poster: Artem Vakhitov

Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
Estonia
English to Russian
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Mar 3

I need to update the translation of a complex 400-page document. The total page count of the new content, according to the customer (usually very accurate), is 38 pages. I have the old translation and an eRef document, which is basically the old Word document with the changes shown in the Track Changes mode. Normally, I reject all changes in eRef and align the resulting document with the old translation using WinAlign. However, this time WinAlign absolutely refuses to align these document, whatever format and options I choose. The only alternative aligner that somewhat worked was LF Aligner, but it doesn't handle tables well so it's going to take too long to align the text properly using it. I also have ABBYY Aligner 2.0 with a serial issued to me but it won't activate, and i'm not counting on ABBYY support answering soon. Other aligners that failed were Stingray, NOVA, and AlignAssist.

Can you suggest me another good aligner (free or fully-functional trial) or an efficient alternative workflow for this task?


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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
Netherlands
Local time: 13:19
Member (2006)
English to Afrikaans
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PlusTools, but convert your tables first Mar 3

Artem Vakhitov wrote:
Can you suggest me another good aligner (free or fully-functional trial)


I use PlusTools, but you're going to have to convert those tables first (perhaps WinAlign also works if you convert them first). You can convert them with tabs or paragraph marks, using these two macros (it converts all tables in the file at once):

tables convert

If you do use PlusTools, you're going to have to convert the WF TM to TMX.
https://www.wordfast.net/wiki/PlusTools
http://wordfast.net/zip/WfConverter.zip
In PlusTools, select "haven't been segmented yet" unless you want to segment by paragraph, and "classic interface" unless you want to expertiment with old-style two-file alignment.


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FarkasAndras
Local time: 13:19
English to Hungarian
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options Mar 3

If it's just the tables, you can try processing them separately. You can copy-paste them into excel and pair them up in two columns there. Then just process the rest of the document with LF aligner and copy-paste the stuff from excel into the tabbed file at the end. Generate a TMX from the tabbed file and you're done. You can also try Samuel's suggestion and run LF Aligner on the whole file after running the macro.

I could look into processing the file for you. Message me if interested.


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Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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Thank you, Samuel and FarkasAndras Mar 3

Thank you, Samuel and FarkasAndras! What worked for me was converting tables to text (using Samuel's macros) and then saving the file as RTF. I should've also converted automatic numeration to plain text but didn't think about that until it was too late to start anew. All in all, there's finally some progress.

Samuel Murray wrote:

Artem Vakhitov wrote:
Can you suggest me another good aligner (free or fully-functional trial)


I use PlusTools, but you're going to have to convert those tables first (perhaps WinAlign also works if you convert them first). You can convert them with tabs or paragraph marks, using these two macros (it converts all tables in the file at once):

tables convert

If you do use PlusTools, you're going to have to convert the WF TM to TMX.
https://www.wordfast.net/wiki/PlusTools
http://wordfast.net/zip/WfConverter.zip
In PlusTools, select "haven't been segmented yet" unless you want to segment by paragraph, and "classic interface" unless you want to expertiment with old-style two-file alignment.



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Artem Vakhitov  Identity Verified
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Update: ABBYY Aligner limitation Mar 4

Since ABBYY support issued another activation code to me, I decided to try ABBYY Aligner 2.0. The result was a failure, because it only accepts files up to 10 MB in size.

I'll also research PlusTools when I have time — always nice to have options...


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Susan Welsh  Identity Verified
United States
Local time: 07:19
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ABBYY Aligner Mar 4

I have ABBYY Aligner, but have not been happy with it. It leaves a lot of manual adjustment to be done. I suggest you go with what Samuel and Farkas say, because they are experts on this question. (I haven't used PlusTools, but I occasionally use LF Aligner for jobs that are simpler than yours.)

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