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“许三多”杀掉了 Jul 21, 2011

http://www.ftchinese.com/story/001039701?page=1

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新人报道 Jul 21, 2011

新人报道,待在英国2年了。望各位多多指教。

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治标不治本 Jul 22, 2011

解放初期枪毙贪官刘青山、张子善确实起到了震慑作用。但现在,杀那几个无后台的贪官已经起不了多大作用了。
http://news.ifeng.com/history/1/renwu/200807/0728_2665_678885.shtml

不知杭州钱江三桥的坍塌是否与“许三多”有关?工程承包商靠行贿得标,然后肆意偷工减料,这是很合乎逻辑的事情。从该照片就可看出,钱江三桥是个豆腐渣工程。这些贪官与不法承包商相互勾结,不知给子孙后代留下了多少隐患!
http://news.online.sh.cn/news/gb/content/2011-07/17/content_4698610.htm


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豆腐渣工程 Jul 22, 2011

ysun wrote:

从该照片就可看出,钱江三桥是个豆腐渣工程。这些贪官与不法承包商相互勾结,不知给子孙后代留下了多少隐患!
http://news.online.sh.cn/news/gb/content/2011-07/17/content_4698610.htm



I'm no civil engineer, but how come there's no sign of any re-bars sticking out of the broken concrete?

Here's an image from the web that shows what the inside construction of a highway bridge ought to look like. Typically there's this intricate network of reinforcing steel bars …




[Edited at 2011-07-22 15:10 GMT]


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中國制造 Jul 22, 2011

New San Francisco bridge built in China to be shipped to US
First, China made cut-price clothes and knick-knacks. Then it learned how to make mobile phones and iPads. Now it is making a 2,050ft-long bridge spanning the San Francisco bay.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8602786/New-San-Francisco-bridge-built-in-China-to-be-shipped-to-US.html


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Shoddy Construction Jul 22, 2011

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Now it is making a 2,050ft-long bridge spanning the San Francisco bay.



pk,

Let's just hope that there's a different standard when it comes to projects overseas.

I'm just kidding. The people in charge of those shoddy constructions should be criminally prosecuted.


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慳錢第一,後患無窮 Jul 22, 2011



Bridge Comes to San Francisco With a Made-in-China Label

Workers at Shanghai Zhenhua finish the welding on a section of the eastern span of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge.

The San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge. The replacement eastern span is on the right, with the city of San Francisco beyond.

The new Bay Bridge, expected to open to traffic in 2013, will replace a structure that has never been quite the same since the 1989 Bay Area earthquake. At $7.2 billion, it will be one of the most expensive structures ever built. But California officials estimate that they will save at least $400 million by having so much of the work done in China. (California issued bonds to finance the project, and will look to recoup the cost through tolls.)


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different standard Jul 22, 2011

wherestip wrote:

pk,

Let's just hope that there's a different standard when it comes to projects overseas.

在国际项目中,中国政府算的往往是政治帐而不是经济帐。中国人是完全有能力造好桥的。中国人的造桥能力已经达到世界先进水平。关键就在于是否严格地遵循工程标准和有无严格的工程监督。毋庸置疑,这次建设旧金山海湾大桥所遵循的标准一定是美国标准,而且美国政府的有关机构一定会严加监督检验。即使工程承包商想通过行贿手段偷工减料蒙混过关,恐怕也难。

我们这里即使是普通的民房,在其建造过程中的每一个阶段,政府部门都会派人来检查。至于公路、桥梁,那就更不用说了。

[Edited at 2011-07-22 19:47 GMT]


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用不着 civil engineer Jul 22, 2011

wherestip wrote:

I'm no civil engineer, but how come there's no sign of any re-bars sticking out of the broken concrete?

Here's an image from the web that shows what the inside construction of a highway bridge ought to look like. Typically there's this intricate network of reinforcing steel bars …

连外行都能看出问题。不过,这混凝土里没掺入纸板、布条就算是万幸。

http://v.szonline.net/13428797

http://sh.sina.com.cn/news/s/2011-05-10/0844182043.html


[Edited at 2011-07-22 19:50 GMT]


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1937年建成的钱塘江大桥 Jul 25, 2011

http://news.163.com/11/0724/02/79MPV4PQ00014AED.html
这是一座炸药不放对位置都炸不掉的桥。


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Saving up for 20 percent down payment on a mortgage Jul 25, 2011

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这种文章 吹牛不上税 ...



据国际不动产代理商戈登·罗克最新研究显示:美国人买房,迈阿密需要4年,纽约需要5.7年,洛杉矶需要5.9年。





Here's an article from the "Economy" section of this week's Time magazine (August 8, 2011). Unfortunately, the online copy is accessible to paid subscribers only.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2084574,00.html


The article has an illustration in the form of a windy road, with the caption: "The Road to Buying a Home Can be Long ...". Along the road there are signposts, indicating the time it would take to save up for an average home's 20% down payment, based on average income by profession.

The chart can be summarized as follows ... remember, this is only 20% of a mortgage they're talking about ...



Lawyer ................................................ 7 years
Airline Pilot ......................................... 8 years
Computer Programmer ...................... 11 years
Registered Nurse ............................... 12 years
Accountant ........................................ 13 years
Elementary School Teacher ................ 15 years
Police Officer ..................................... 15 years
Firefighter ......................................... 18 years
Social Worker .................................... 20 years
Residential-Construction Worker ....... 20 years
Army Staff Sergeant .......................... 26 years
Child-care Worker .............................. 41 years


Sources: Genworth Mortgage Insurance; Center for Responsible Lending



BTW, IMO, the data is probably based on people who live a normal life and don't kill themselves obsessing over home ownership. In other words, it most likely doesn't factor in those who scrimp and save to an extreme.


[Edited at 2011-07-25 17:59 GMT]


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沉重的包袱 Jul 25, 2011

Steve,

那篇引用戈登·罗克研究数据的文章作者也许对美国情况不够了解,但中美之间房价、物价的巨大差异,还是事实。两年前,我们这里曾经谈起过《蜗居》。像海萍夫妇这样拥有名牌大学硕士学位的白领,如果是在美国,就不至于为了买房而成天吃方便面、啃咸菜,甚至还要去啃双方父母多年省吃俭用积攒下来的养老钱。两年前,1.74万元/平方米是上海的历史最高纪录。如今,这个价格在北京、上海已经算不了什么了。
http://www.proz.com/post/1214402#1214402
《高房价之痛:一套房子透支几代人积蓄》
http://news.xinhuanet.com/house/2009-09/04/content_11993288.htm
房价正在重回“疯狂”状态。2009年上半年,北京房价涨幅近三成,上海商品住宅成交均价不断走高,逼近1.74万元/平方米的历史最高纪录,深圳房价创11个月来新高,广州位居全国新建住宅销售价格月度环比涨幅首位……
无论从哪一个角度看,中国部分城市房价过高是一个不争的事实,不仅是普通老百姓买不起房子,中等收入群体也感觉很吃力。在高房价的挤压下,越来越多的家庭为了一套房子耗尽了一生的财富,甚至是几代人的积蓄,这已经成为了社会不可承受之重。


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老百姓 Jul 25, 2011

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Steve,

那篇引用戈登·罗克研究数据的文章作者也许对美国情况不够了解,但中美之间房价、物价的巨大差异,还是事实。两年前,我们这里曾经谈起过《蜗居》。像海萍夫妇这样拥有名牌大学硕士学位的白领,如果是在美国,就不至于为了买房而成天吃方便面、啃咸菜,甚至还要去啃双方父母多年省吃俭用积攒下来的养老钱。两年前,1.74万元/平方米是上海的历史最高纪录。如今,这个价格在北京、上海已经算不了什么了。



Yueyin,

国内房价暴涨那是可想而知的,只可怜平民百姓艰苦奋斗一生,到头来还是买不起房子。

在美国买房子当然容易得多。 不过我对那些把在美国赚钱吹嘘得为不费吹灰之力的文章很不以为然。你我都知道,如果赚钱真是那么容易,国会在 debt ceiling 问题上也不会那么久久僵持不下。 ...


[Edited at 2011-07-25 20:54 GMT]


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白领黑领 Jul 25, 2011

Steve,

确实如此。好在那些在国家机关或大企业工作的年龄较大的人,其工作单位早就以较低价格把公房卖给了他们。要不然,他们哪还有钱支援他们的子女买房?我那些在北京的老同事们所住的房子并不亚于美国的高级公寓。美中不足的是楼下停汽车较困难。若是电梯坏了就只好走楼梯爬大高楼。

不过,像海萍夫妇那样的白领,在美国应该可以活得轻松得多。但是,像赖昌星那样的人还是在中国吃得开。他到加拿大之后,就只能吃瘪了。


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种瓜得瓜 种豆收豆 Jul 26, 2011

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但是,像赖昌星那样的人还是在中国吃得开。他到加拿大之后,就只能吃瘪了。



我不知赖昌星是何人。 可刚刚搜索了一下,真巧! 两天前他被加拿大政府遣返中国。


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