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clearwater
China
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Nov 9, 2013

http://www.fortunechina.com/rankings/c/2013-09/23/content_176635.htm
"Get in over your head" is Mayer's guideline.
“量力而行”是梅耶尔的做事原则。

大家觉得这个短语译成“量力而行”正确吗?
总觉得哪里不对劲。
查了词典,查不到get in over one's head这种搭配用法。


http://dict.youdao.com/search?q=Get%20in%20over%20your%20head&keyfrom=dict.index#q=Get+in+over+your+head&keyfrom=dict.index
1.Go ahead and lead the meeting today; I'll help you out if you get in over your head.
去主持今天这场会议吧,如果你到时有力所不能及的地方,我会帮你的。


 

James_xia  Identity Verified
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一线参考 Nov 9, 2013

clearwater wrote:

http://www.fortunechina.com/rankings/c/2013-09/23/content_176635.htm
"Get in over your head" is Mayer's guideline.
“量力而行”是梅耶尔的做事原则。

大家觉得这个短语译成“量力而行”正确吗?
总觉得哪里不对劲。
查了词典,查不到get in over one's head这种搭配用法。


http://dict.youdao.com/search?q=Get%20in%20over%20your%20head&keyfrom=dict.index#q=Get+in+over+your+head&keyfrom=dict.index
1.Go ahead and lead the meeting today; I'll help you out if you get in over your head.
去主持今天这场会议吧,如果你到时有力所不能及的地方,我会帮你的。


clearwater, 请参考以下链接信息,看看有帮助不:

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/english-idioms-sayings/19979-get-over-your-head.html


 

wherestip  Identity Verified
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事情揽得越多越好 Nov 9, 2013

clearwater wrote:

http://www.fortunechina.com/rankings/c/2013-09/23/content_176635.htm
"Get in over your head" is Mayer's guideline.
“量力而行”是梅耶尔的做事原则。

大家觉得这个短语译成“量力而行”正确吗?
总觉得哪里不对劲。
查了词典,查不到get in over one's head这种搭配用法。


http://dict.youdao.com/search?q=Get%20in%20over%20your%20head&keyfrom=dict.index#q=Get+in+over+your+head&keyfrom=dict.index
1.Go ahead and lead the meeting today; I'll help you out if you get in over your head.
去主持今天这场会议吧,如果你到时有力所不能及的地方,我会帮你的。


clearwater,

You're right. It is exactly the opposite of “量力而行”。


 

Phil Hand  Identity Verified
China
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相关用语 Nov 9, 2013

back against the wall, sink or swim

这个说法的含义是:不能单单做你百分百掌握的事儿,必须勇于承担难度大、有可能失败的大任务。

应该搜索一些跟勇气有关的说法,比如:备勇当先。


 

wherestip  Identity Verified
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事儿妈 :D Nov 9, 2013

全力以赴 is one of the complimentary Chinese idioms I can think of.

 

wherestip  Identity Verified
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Bite off more than one can chew Nov 9, 2013

Phil Hand wrote:

back against the wall, sink or swim

这个说法的含义是:不能单单做你百分百掌握的事儿,必须勇于承担难度大、有可能失败的大任务。

应该搜索一些跟勇气有关的说法,比如:备勇当先。


I agree with Phil. 孤注一掷, 多多益善 etc.. also come to mind. But some of these terms have negative connotations.


 

Marvin Sun  Identity Verified
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迎难而上 Nov 9, 2013

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in%20over%20head

 

Phil Hand  Identity Verified
China
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+ve/-ve Nov 9, 2013

wherestip wrote:

Phil Hand wrote:

back against the wall, sink or swim

这个说法的含义是:不能单单做你百分百掌握的事儿,必须勇于承担难度大、有可能失败的大任务。

应该搜索一些跟勇气有关的说法,比如:备勇当先。


I agree with Phil. 孤注一掷, 多多益善 etc.. also come to mind. But some of these terms have negative connotations.


Yeah. What's interesting is that "get in over your head" is normally negative. Rhetorically, Mayer is subverting the phrase. I have never been able to do that in Chinese - it requires a sensitivity to phrases that I haven't properly built up yet. I don't even know if it's possible in the same way. I think a straightforward positive 成语 would work well as a translation (Marvin's 迎难而上 is great), but I'd like to see if there is a way to match it exactly.


 

wherestip  Identity Verified
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Agree Nov 9, 2013

Phil Hand wrote:

wherestip wrote:

Phil Hand wrote:

back against the wall, sink or swim

这个说法的含义是:不能单单做你百分百掌握的事儿,必须勇于承担难度大、有可能失败的大任务。

应该搜索一些跟勇气有关的说法,比如:备勇当先。


I agree with Phil. 孤注一掷, 多多益善 etc.. also come to mind. But some of these terms have negative connotations.


Yeah. What's interesting is that "get in over your head" is normally negative. Rhetorically, Mayer is subverting the phrase. I have never been able to do that in Chinese - it requires a sensitivity to phrases that I haven't properly built up yet. I don't even know if it's possible in the same way. I think a straightforward positive 成语 would work well as a translation (Marvin's 迎难而上 is great), but I'd like to see if there is a way to match it exactly.


I agree. 孤注一掷 is as negative as I can think of. It typically is used in a not-so-complimentary way. But you can use it on yourself as Mayer did so in English.

迎难而上 is indeed a good choice, but like you said, it loses the self-deprecating quality of the English idiom "being in over one's head".


 

clearwater
China
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靠谱的来源解释 Nov 9, 2013

James_xia wrote:

clearwater wrote:

http://www.fortunechina.com/rankings/c/2013-09/23/content_176635.htm
"Get in over your head" is Mayer's guideline.
“量力而行”是梅耶尔的做事原则。

大家觉得这个短语译成“量力而行”正确吗?
总觉得哪里不对劲。
查了词典,查不到get in over one's head这种搭配用法。


http://dict.youdao.com/search?q=Get%20in%20over%20your%20head&keyfrom=dict.index#q=Get+in+over+your+head&keyfrom=dict.index
1.Go ahead and lead the meeting today; I'll help you out if you get in over your head.
去主持今天这场会议吧,如果你到时有力所不能及的地方,我会帮你的。


clearwater, 请参考以下链接信息,看看有帮助不:

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/english-idioms-sayings/19979-get-over-your-head.html

谢谢James!
其中一网友给出的如下解释:
The image comes from swimming. If you get into a swimming pool at the deep end, and you're not a strong swimmer, and the pool is deeper than you are tall, you might struggle. You'd be in "over your head", and you may even drown. Indeed, we often talk about people "drowning in debt".

感觉蛮生动形象的,学习了!


 

clearwater
China
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English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER
放心了 Nov 9, 2013

wherestip wrote:

clearwater wrote:

http://www.fortunechina.com/rankings/c/2013-09/23/content_176635.htm
"Get in over your head" is Mayer's guideline.
“量力而行”是梅耶尔的做事原则。

大家觉得这个短语译成“量力而行”正确吗?
总觉得哪里不对劲。
查了词典,查不到get in over one's head这种搭配用法。


http://dict.youdao.com/search?q=Get%20in%20over%20your%20head&keyfrom=dict.index#q=Get+in+over+your+head&keyfrom=dict.index
1.Go ahead and lead the meeting today; I'll help you out if you get in over your head.
去主持今天这场会议吧,如果你到时有力所不能及的地方,我会帮你的。


clearwater,

You're right. It is exactly the opposite of “量力而行”。


谢谢Steven的出面!

有您的解答,我心里有底多了:)


 

clearwater
China
Local time: 00:14
English to Chinese
TOPIC STARTER
额外的收获 Nov 9, 2013

Phil Hand wrote:

back against the wall, sink or swim

这个说法的含义是:不能单单做你百分百掌握的事儿,必须勇于承担难度大、有可能失败的大任务。

应该搜索一些跟勇气有关的说法,比如:备勇当先。

谢谢Phil!

我查到了另一个相似的表达法:
bang/beat/bash one's head against a brick wall
意为:以头碰壁;试图干不可能成功的事;试图获得不大可能得到的东西;枉费心机,白费力气


 

clearwater
China
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TOPIC STARTER
不错的译名 Nov 9, 2013

wherestip wrote:

全力以赴 is one of the complimentary Chinese idioms I can think of.


谢谢Steven!

“全力以赴”蛮好!


 

clearwater
China
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原来如此 Nov 9, 2013



谢谢Marvin!

原来是be in over one's head,难怪我查get in over one's head查不到。

谢谢!“迎难而上”放在此处也蛮贴切的。


 

FinancialTrans  Identity Verified
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guess~ Nov 10, 2013

clearwater wrote:

http://www.fortunechina.com/rankings/c/2013-09/23/content_176635.htm
"Get in over your head" is Mayer's guideline.
“量力而行”是梅耶尔的做事原则。

大家觉得这个短语译成“量力而行”正确吗?
总觉得哪里不对劲。
查了词典,查不到get in over one's head这种搭配用法。


http://dict.youdao.com/search?q=Get%20in%20over%20your%20head&keyfrom=dict.index#q=Get+in+over+your+head&keyfrom=dict.index
1.Go ahead and lead the meeting today; I'll help you out if you get in over your head.
去主持今天这场会议吧,如果你到时有力所不能及的地方,我会帮你的。


感觉正相反,从她的做法来看,是“强势控局”,从字面意思来看,get in over one's head是忽略内部不同意见,或者采用十分强势的方法“说服”对方,强迫别人接受自己的意见,所有决策都根据我的意见来定。


 
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