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祝朋友们 国庆-中秋 双节快乐! Sep 30, 2017

平湖秋月《醉太平》
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7yPPG8HRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uhkLsXClQ




[Edited at 2017-10-01 00:12 GMT]


 

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Alma Mater Sep 30, 2017

Yueyin,

Thanks a lot for the info.

I’ve heard about this event on WeChat from one of my old buddies. We’ve been independently poring over some photos taken of some of our classmates. As you can imagine, after nearly half a century, identifying some of them is almost a chore in itself.   icon_biggrin.gif29114315-471.jpghttps://www.zixundingzhi.com/all/2b2c0c0a4bcb6651.html


 

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风景这边独好 Oct 1, 2017

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如果将山上的那个 “孤独” 改注为 “风景这边独好”,山下的绅士骑上黄胄的小毛驴儿,icon_wink.gif 这个图可能会别有一番情景。

QHE:

这论坛上以前好像有人开过一帖,专门讲翻译是个很孤独的职业。但这恰恰说明我们是一群非常特殊的人:表面上看,我们只会‘人云亦云’,但实际上是最自信和最有判断力的人;因为缺乏了这两样,我们翻出来的东西会比机译还不如。

依我看,孤独不孤独是一种心态。身居闹市者,左呼右拥者,儿孙满堂者,仍然会感到孤独。只有心里很充实的人才不知道什么叫孤独。

李白《将进酒》有云:“古来圣贤皆寂寞,惟有饮者留其名。”可见真正的孤独,不是那么容易做到的。如果能做得到,而且自己并不感到是孤独,那是很高的境界。

http://news.163.com/17/0930/10/CVISJM360001875P.html

我曾说:“自古译者皆无闻,只有和尚留其名。”既然选择了做翻译,就要耐得住寂寞,而且还出不了名。这点我早就很清楚了。十几年前纽约百老汇有个剧团给我一剧本,我开了价后,那联系人要砍价,他的理由是这剧本译出来后会有你大名,今后你可写在简历上。我回话说对不起,我三十岁之前就出风头出够了。"I don't care about reputation or resume, I Just Want The Money!"

结果他还是让我译了。

Knowing what you are worth is "la key importante" on your keyboard as a translator. That's how I see it.


 

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难忘母校 Oct 1, 2017

wherestip wrote:
Alma Mater
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Steve,

跟你的母校北京四中相比,我的中学可谓相形见绌。不怕你笑,我的小学和中学原来都是庙。小学叫“石贤庙”,中学曾是江南名刹“觉皇寺”。

大中小学都有人回忆,即使您的母校并不出名,甚至平淡得可怜,它也给过你甜蜜,因为那里有我们童年、青少年和骚青年的记忆。迄今为止,我还没看到过谁在幸福地回忆他/她上班过的单位或公司,要看这类回忆,可能只有昨天刚去世的Playboy总部上过班的人才会写。

只可惜就在我们上中学的那几年,我们这帮人为了上劳动课亲手把唐代的古庙给拆了,现在都怀着内疚感。


 

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Memories Oct 1, 2017

David Shen wrote:

Steve,

跟你的母校北京四中相比,我的中学可谓相形见绌。不怕你笑,我的小学和中学原来都是庙。小学叫“石贤庙”,中学曾是江南名刹“觉皇寺”。

大中小学都有人回忆,即使您的母校并不出名,甚至平淡得可怜,它也给过你甜蜜,因为那里有我们童年、青少年和骚青年的记忆。迄今为止,我还没看到过谁在幸福地回忆他/她上班过的单位或公司,要看这类回忆,可能只有昨天刚去世的Playboy总部上过班的人才会写。

只可惜就在我们上中学的那几年,我们这帮人为了上劳动课亲手把唐代的古庙给拆了,现在都怀着内疚感。



David,

I couldn't agree with you more. A good education only gives one a good head start; it's what one does with it later in life that really matters. icon_smile.gif


 

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《平湖秋月 赌城秋疯》 Oct 3, 2017

QHE wrote:

平湖秋月《醉太平》
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl7yPPG8HRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3uhkLsXClQ




[Edited at 2017-10-01 00:12 GMT]


冷眼观世态
热茶压惊魂
秋月升平湖
秋疯刮赌城

2017年中秋前三天纪事



[Edited at 2017-10-03 17:19 GMT]

冷眼观世态
热茶压惊魂
平湖升秋月
秋疯扫赌城


[Edited at 2017-10-03 23:29 GMT]


 

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秋疯与疯传 Oct 5, 2017

David Shen wrote:

平湖升秋月
秋疯扫赌城

“秋疯扫赌城”,确实是一场令人极为震惊的大悲剧!不过,我在看到凶手狰狞面目的同时,也看到了老百姓中许多可歌可泣的英雄事迹。各种媒体的报道和网上群众的评论绝大多数都是正面的、积极的。但也有一小撮人,却幸灾乐祸。他们还特意把自己的评论译为英文,发到 Facebook 和 Twitter 上。似乎只有这样,他们才感到过瘾。你只要 Google 一下"美史上最惨枪击案 X国网民这些评论疯传",就可看到这一小撮人是何等的冷血!


 

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壮观天下无 Oct 10, 2017

1143680_.160x120.320x240.jpg《忆家乡八月十八潮》 • David Shen
2017浙江海宁盐官钱塘潮:

钱塘潮呈 “V” 形交叉潮
https://v.qq.com/x/page/f0024630jhl.html?ref_vid=f0024wc5d9w

盐官一线潮 (八月十七)
https://v.qq.com/x/page/i0024yyl7mp.html?ref_vid=f0024wc5d9w

罕见蝶翅状交叉潮 (八月十八)
http://v.ifeng.com/video_8818980.shtml

tou-4.jpg

[Edited at 2017-10-10 23:38 GMT]


 

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钱塘潮 Oct 11, 2017

CBC News 也报导了这一奇观:

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/ca/videos/gallery/rare-thousands-flock-to-see-tide-phenomenon-its-strange-but-cool/sharevideo/5600152295001/


 

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好照片 Oct 12, 2017

QHE wrote:

1143680_.160x120.320x240.jpg《忆家乡八月十八潮》 • David Shen
2017浙江海宁盐官钱塘潮:

钱塘潮呈 “V” 形交叉潮
https://v.qq.com/x/page/f0024630jhl.html?ref_vid=f0024wc5d9w

盐官一线潮 (八月十七)
https://v.qq.com/x/page/i0024yyl7mp.html?ref_vid=f0024wc5d9w

罕见蝶翅状交叉潮 (八月十八)
http://v.ifeng.com/video_8818980.shtml

tou-4.jpg

[Edited at 2017-10-10 23:38 GMT]

QHE,

Thanks for making my lines look more "official" with these photographs!

我这几行写了那么多吃的,是因为秋收时节好吃的东西实在太多;而八月中旬的潮水总是在吃中饭的时间来。不想错过大潮的就得早点吃,吃完赶紧出发。

以前(六、七十年代)时鲜上市季节要拼命吃。不像现在家家有冰箱,东西可以放几个月的。嘴馋的小孩,心里就很矛盾了:想吃就围着饭桌转,想看潮就吃了几口赶紧往海堤跑。当然可以随身带的东西就多抓几把:糖炒板栗、水煮花生、干烤红薯、羊角老菱、茴香豆腐干......

这些好吃的现在样样难求,再讲下去要哭了,比比美国的chips,蛋糕甜到腻,咖啡浓到苦。


 

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莫伤心 Oct 26, 2017

David Shen wrote:

QHE,

Thanks for making my lines look more "official" with these photographs!

我这几行写了那么多吃的,是因为秋收时节好吃的东西实在太多;而八月中旬的潮水总是在吃中饭的时间来。不想错过大潮的就得早点吃,吃完赶紧出发。

以前(六、七十年代)时鲜上市季节要拼命吃。不像现在家家有冰箱,东西可以放几个月的。嘴馋的小孩,心里就很矛盾了:想吃就围着饭桌转,想看潮就吃了几口赶紧往海堤跑。当然可以随身带的东西就多抓几把:糖炒板栗、水煮花生、干烤红薯、羊角老菱、茴香豆腐干......

这些好吃的现在样样难求,再讲下去要哭了,比比美国的chips,蛋糕甜到腻,咖啡浓到苦。



David,

现如今,国内市场真是很丰富。新鲜老菱角、莲藕、荸荠、芋头、红薯、 紫薯、山药豆、 板栗… 我都吃到了(外加你在《忆家乡八月十八潮》中提及的各种佳肴 icon_razz.gif )! 最有意思的是剥菱壳还需要一定的技巧。

有感时,只恨自己不懂得作诗赋词。


 

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"打虎、拍蝇、猎狐" Oct 26, 2017

外籍语言专家参与中共十九大报告的译校工作
http://www.bjd.com.cn/sd/hcr/201710/23/t20171023_11073459.html


2017-10-23 10:22:03 文章来源:北京日报 网络编辑:康琪雪

党的十九大报告不仅在国内受到广泛关注,也引发了全球媒体的争相报道。为提升报告的外文翻译质量、增强大会精神国际传播效应,来自英国、加拿大、西班牙等多名外籍专家参与了此次大会报告外文译本的核稿润色工作。这也是改革开放以来我国第一次邀请外籍专家提前介入参与全国党代会报告的翻译工作。

...


接着,让我们再和翻译专家们学几句标准又大气的英语

  ①新时代中国特色社会主义
  Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era.

  ②不忘初心,方得始终
  Never forget why you started, and your mission can be accomplished.

  ③登高望远,居安思危
  Aim high and look far, be alert to dangers even in times of calm.

  ④全面从严治党
  Seeing Party self-governance exercised fully and with rigor.

  ⑤坚持反腐败无禁区、全覆盖、零容忍
  No place has been out of bounds, no ground left unturned, and no tolerance shown in
the fight against corruption.

  ⑥坚定不移“打虎”“拍蝇”“猎狐”
  We have taken firm action to “take out tigers”, “swat flies” and “hunt down foxes”.

  ⑦不想腐的堤坝正在构筑
  Moral defenses against corruption are in the making.

  ⑧行百里者半九十
  The last leg of a journey marks the halfway point.

  ⑨大道之行,天下为公
  We should pursue a just cause for common good.






[Edited at 2017-10-26 03:56 GMT]


 

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Top news for us: Foreign Language Experts Reinventing the Wheel in Beijing Oct 27, 2017

QHE wrote:
外籍语言专家参与中共十九大报告的译校工作
http://www.bjd.com.cn/sd/hcr/201710/23/t20171023_11073459.html


2017-10-23 10:22:03 文章来源:北京日报 网络编辑:康琪雪

党的十九大报告不仅在国内受到广泛关注,也引发了全球媒体的争相报道。为提升报告的外文翻译质量、增强大会精神国际传播效应,来自英国、加拿大、西班牙等多名外籍专家参与了此次大会报告外文译本的核稿润色工作。这也是改革开放以来我国第一次邀请外籍专家提前介入参与全国党代会报告的翻译工作。

...


接着,让我们再和翻译专家们学几句标准又大气的英语

  ①新时代中国特色社会主义
  Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era.

  ②不忘初心,方得始终
  Never forget why you started, and your mission can be accomplished.

  ③登高望远,居安思危
  Aim high and look far, be alert to dangers even in times of calm.

  ④全面从严治党
  Seeing Party self-governance exercised fully and with rigor.

  ⑤坚持反腐败无禁区、全覆盖、零容忍
  No place has been out of bounds, no ground left unturned, and no tolerance shown in
the fight against corruption.

  ⑥坚定不移“打虎”“拍蝇”“猎狐”
  We have taken firm action to “take out tigers”, “swat flies” and “hunt down foxes”.

  ⑦不想腐的堤坝正在构筑
  Moral defenses against corruption are in the making.

  ⑧行百里者半九十
  The last leg of a journey marks the halfway point.

  ⑨大道之行,天下为公
  We should pursue a just cause for common good.




[Edited at 2017-10-26 03:56 GMT]

QHE,

Thanks for sharing this interesting piece of news. Let's get to work.

My Response to the New Slogans with Renewed Hopes for a Renaissance of the Chinese State and Culture

As a Chinese by birth, I send my best wishes for the occassion.
As a translator, I am curious about the rendering of the new slogans, because they are outlines of stately policies that will be put in place for a long time, at least before the next one.

A brief look tells me that most of these sentences are rendered well, thought a little bit closer to spoken English rather than to its written style.

Some of these translations need better rendering. Some are even grammatically poor.

e.g. One of the new slogans that has room for improvement:

⑨大道之行,天下为公 (which has been translated into:)
We should pursue a just cause for common good.

Comment:
Well, first, there should be a "the" before "common good."
"For the common good" sounds good if not better.

Second, this is such a well known saying in the Chinese classics that great translations already exist, by great Western scholars, at least a century ago. There is no need to re-invent the wheel. But if we are looking for something new in everything, we need to polish a little bit, even things old look better when polished.

Third, this translation reveals a fact that the Chinese original is not completely understood by the translator, whoever he or she is. For a "foreign language expert, or a native English speaker, English should be no problem for him or her. The problem is how to interpret the Chinese phrase, in this example, two parts. Where does this "We" come from in "We should pursue", and if there is a we, who are You? 这样用词的本身就把人们分开来了。 There should be no separation among the people, be it ruler or the ruled. There is no we or you, him or her when referring to the society as a whole. Let's take the phrase apart and squeeze every word/character so we can get most out of them.

1_大道之行
2_天下为公

大道= the grand purpose, the ultimate state of a country, an ideal society as envisioned by Confucius or lately by Sun Yat-sen. A society in which the strong and the capable contribute, the little ones and the very old are taken care of.

之行= to put in practice, or already in place, working or functioning well; or a condition required before something can work properly.

3_天下= the society, the country, the world, humanity or "all under Heaven" as the ancient Chinese call it.

4_为公= 公 the public, everyone included, the 为 is tricky here, because it could be interpreted as a verb (belongs to) or proposition (for somebody) or a state of being (becomes...).

Now let's put them back step by step, and see the relationship between the two parts:

1_大道之行 an ideal society at work/ functioning well (If...)
(The right condition needed for something good to happen)
2_天下为公 the world belongs to everyone, the public gets to share whatever we all have. (The result from that condition)

So, once you understand what each of the elements carry with them, you are in a better position to put them into a good sentence in the target language, with little or no loss of meaning, or probably better, with every ounce of the original still dripping in its multiplicity of connotations, a feature in classic Chinese.

Once understood, there is more than one way to express it. Let's say there is more than one way to cook a fish. Here are a couple of the possible dishes that I can come up with from the same fish, right on top of my head at this point:

_________大道之行,天下为公________
Version A:
When a great system is in function, the world is shared by everyone.
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Version B:
When everyone has a stake, we know we have reached a great state of the State.
|
Version C:
The ultimate is achieved when everyone of us is taken care of.
|
Version D:
A Grand Society is one that leaves no one behind in its progress.


That's my shot, expecting more and better ones to come. I am sure we have ones here that will beat the hell out of mine.


 

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Lack of literary flair Oct 28, 2017

David,

I agree with your assessment. The English translations serve the purpose of conveying the main thrusts of the slogans. But to be quotable, perhaps more thought could be put into the effort.  icon_smile.gif


 

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Where Have You Been? Oct 28, 2017

wherestip wrote:

David,

I agree with your assessment. The English translations serve the purpose of conveying the main thrusts of the slogans. But to be quotable, perhaps more thought could be put into the effort.  icon_smile.gif

Steve,

I was wondering where you have been for the last three weeks. California's wild fire is put out now, if they'd used right thing, I mean water not wine; but Taxes should be out of water by now.

Sorry to joke on disasters, but don't you think all these slogans, meant to be concise versions of new policies could be polished a little bit more? Especially if they are meant to be projected beyond the borders of our Motherland?

Anyway, it is a tough call to find any close equivalent in English, especially the numeric ones. That's why I was having fun with PK on the other thread, I don't mean or want to talk about politics, as we are translators, not commentators, but ......

Hope you are having a nice fall season!


 
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