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鍦ㄧ爺璇籌n Other Words: A Coursebook on Translation (Baker, 1992)涓涔︾殑鏃跺欏彂鐜拌繖鏍蜂竴涓緥瀛愶細


璇风湅杩欎竴娈佃嫳鏂囷細

Many of the species growing wild here are familiar to us as plants cultivated in European gardens - species like this exotic lily.

涓嬮潰涓娈电敱缈昏瘧鐨勪腑鏂囧洖璇戜负鑻辨枃锛

We are very familiar with many varieties of the wild life here, they are the kind grown in European gardens - varieties like this strange unique lily flower.

涔︿腑鐨勮瘎璇涓嬶細

Exotic has no equivalent in Chinese and other oriental languages. It is a word used by westerners tto refer to unusual, interesting things which come from a distant country such as China. The orient does not have a concept of what is exotic in this sense and the expressive meaning of the word is therefore lost in translation.

閭d箞鍒板簳涓枃缈昏瘧鏄浣曞鐞嗚繖涓瘝鐨勫憿锛

杩欓噷閲庣敓鐨勮澶氱绫绘垜浠緢鐔熸倝锛屾槸娆ф床鍥灄鍐呯妞嶇殑绉嶇被 - 鍍忚繖涓濂囧紓鐨勭櫨鍚堣姳绛夌绫汇


鍘熸潵exotic鍦ㄨ繖閲岃缈昏瘧鎴愨滃寮傗濓紝鍥炶瘧鐨勬椂鍊欏鐞嗕负"strange unique"銆傝鍏互涓哄浣曪紵闅鹃亾涓滄柟璇█涓湡鐨勬病鏈変笌exotic鐩稿簲涔嬭緸姹囧悧锛

鎴戠殑鎰熻锛屾槸缈昏瘧杩欏彞璇濈殑浜虹姱浜嗕竴涓範鎯ч敊璇紝璇妸鑷繁鐨勬剰鎬濆己鍔犵粰浜嗗師浣滆呫傚叾瀹瀍xotic褰撶劧涓嶆槸strange + unique锛岃屽簲璇ユ槸锛堟潵鑷級寮傚煙鐨勩

鍘熼椈鍚勪綅鍓嶈緢楂樿銆

[Edited at 2005-09-18 02:03]


 

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涓枃鐢ㄤ粈涔堣瘝褰㈠婕備寒鐨勮姳鍗夛紵 Sep 18, 2005

銆銆杩欓噷鏈夎澶氭垜浠啛鎮夌殑閲庣敓鐗╃锛屾瘮濡傝繖鏍婕備寒鐨勶紡濂界湅鐨勶紡绉缇庣殑锛忕姘旂殑锛忎繌涓界殑锛忓彲浜虹殑锛忓姩浜虹殑锛忓В涓界殑锛忓▏濯氱殑锛忓▏鏌旂殑锛忓▏鑹崇殑锛忓﹢濞滃濮跨殑锛忓Ι濯氱殑锛忕懓涓界殑锛忊︹鐧惧悎锛屽拰鎴戜滑鎵瑙佹娲蹭汉鑺卞洯閲屽煿鑲茬殑妞嶇墿涓鏍疯崇啛鑳借銆

銆銆娉細鈥渆xotic鈥濆瓧鍏搁噷閫氬父浣溾滃厖婊″紓鍥介鎯呯殑鈥濓紝浣嗚繖閲屼綔鈥滄紓浜濊В銆

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

鍦ㄧ爺璇籌n Other Words: A Coursebook on Translation (Baker, 1992)涓涔︾殑鏃跺欏彂鐜拌繖鏍蜂竴涓緥瀛愶細


璇风湅杩欎竴娈佃嫳鏂囷細

Many of the species growing wild here are familiar to us as plants cultivated in European gardens - species like this exotic lily.

涓嬮潰涓娈电敱缈昏瘧鐨勪腑鏂囧洖璇戜负鑻辨枃锛

We are very familiar with many varieties of the wild life here, they are the kind grown in European gardens - varieties like this strange unique lily flower.

涔︿腑鐨勮瘎璇涓嬶細

Exotic has no equivalent in Chinese and other oriental languages. It is a word used by westerners tto refer to unusual, interesting things which come from a distant country such as China. The orient does not have a concept of what is exotic in this sense and the expressive meaning of the word is therefore lost in translation.

閭d箞鍒板簳涓枃缈昏瘧鏄浣曞鐞嗚繖涓瘝鐨勫憿锛

杩欓噷閲庣敓鐨勮澶氱绫绘垜浠緢鐔熸倝锛屾槸娆ф床鍥灄鍐呯妞嶇殑绉嶇被 - 鍍忚繖涓濂囧紓鐨勭櫨鍚堣姳绛夌绫汇


鍘熸潵exotic鍦ㄨ繖閲岃缈昏瘧鎴愨滃寮傗濓紝鍥炶瘧鐨勬椂鍊欏鐞嗕负"strange unique"銆傝鍏互涓哄浣曪紵闅鹃亾涓滄柟璇█涓湡鐨勬病鏈変笌exotic鐩稿簲涔嬭緸姹囧悧锛

鎴戠殑鎰熻锛屾槸缈昏瘧杩欏彞璇濈殑浜虹姱浜嗕竴涓範鎯ч敊璇紝璇妸鑷繁鐨勬剰鎬濆己鍔犵粰浜嗗師浣滆呫傚叾瀹瀍xotic褰撶劧涓嶆槸strange + unique锛岃屽簲璇ユ槸锛堟潵鑷級寮傚煙鐨勩

鍘熼椈鍚勪綅鍓嶈緢楂樿銆

[Edited at 2005-09-18 02:03]


 

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姹傛暀浜庨殣澹厔 Sep 18, 2005

Last Hermit wrote:
杩欓噷鏈夎澶氭垜浠啛鎮夌殑閲庣敓鐗╃锛屾瘮濡傝繖鏍婕備寒鐨勶紡濂界湅鐨勶紡绉缇庣殑锛忕姘旂殑锛忎繌涓界殑锛忓彲浜虹殑锛忓姩浜虹殑锛忓В涓界殑锛忓▏濯氱殑锛忓▏鏌旂殑锛忓▏鑹崇殑锛忓﹢濞滃濮跨殑锛忓Ι濯氱殑锛忕懓涓界殑锛忊︹鐧惧悎锛屽拰鎴戜滑鎵瑙佹娲蹭汉鑺卞洯閲屽煿鑲茬殑妞嶇墿涓鏍疯崇啛鑳借銆
娉細鈥渆xotic鈥濆瓧鍏搁噷閫氬父浣溾滃厖婊″紓鍥介鎯呯殑鈥濓紝浣嗚繖閲屼綔鈥滄紓浜濊В銆

闅愬+鍏勫ソ锛佸悇浣嶅ソ锛
鏍规嵁OED锛宔xotic濡傚綋褰㈠璇嶄娇锛屾湁濂藉嚑涓剰鎬濓紝鐩稿叧鐨勫ぇ鑷村彲瑙d负锛
a. Belonging to another country, foreign, alien (obs.). b. In narrowed sense: Introduced from abroad, not indigenous. Now chiefly of plants (in popular language with added sense of 鈥榥ot naturalized or acclimatized鈥); also, of words, forms of speech or writing, fashions, etc.

閭d箞锛屽鏋滀笉寮曚几寰楀お澶氾紝鎴栧彲鑰冭檻鈥滆嚜澶栧浗寮曡繘鐨勭櫨鍚堣姳鈥︹︹濓紵

鍙﹀锛岄殣澹厔锛屸滆崇啛鑳借鈥濇槸鍚︾敤寰楁瘮杈冣滃啋闄┾濅簡鐐癸紵鏍规嵁銆婁腑鍥芥垚璇ぇ杈炲吀銆嬶紝鍏朵箟涓猴細鍚緱鐔熸倝锛屼箖鑷冲彲浠ヨ灏藉湴澶嶈堪鍑烘潵銆備竴鏄繖familarity涓嶄竴瀹氭槸鍚潵鐨勶紝鍙兘鏄湰鏂囦綔鑰呮湰韬爺绌舵墍寰楋紱浜屾槸锛屼綔鑰呭浐鐒剁啛鎮夛紝浣嗕笉涓瀹氬埌浜嗏滆兘璇︹濈殑绋嬪害銆傛垜杩欎箞璇村彲鑳芥湁鐐瑰惞姣涙眰鐤碉紝浣嗗洜涓烘病鏈変笂涓嬫枃锛岃瘧鑰呮棤浠庡緱鐭ワ紝鎵浠ワ紝缈昏瘧鏃舵垨闇姹傜ǔ锛屼互鍏嶅け涔嬫鏂紵


[Edited at 2005-09-18 05:05]


 

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涓嶆槸鏈湴鍗虫槸澶栨潵鐗╃ Sep 18, 2005

鏍规嵁鏉ユ簮鍦板垎绫伙紝鐗╃瑕佷箞鏄湰鍦扮墿绉嶏紝瑕佷箞鏄鏉ョ墿绉嶏紙鍏朵腑璁稿鏄湁瀹崇殑--鍦ㄦ柊鐜涓嬫病鏈夊ぉ鏁屾姂鍒跺畠浠殑鐢熼暱锛夈傛墍浠ワ紝Exotic闄や簡鈥滃鏉モ濅箣澶栧埆鏃犱粬鎰忋

缈昏瘧鍥炲幓鐨勫彞瀛愭病鏈夊鐞嗗ソ锛氳瘧鑰呬笉鐭ラ亾澶栨潵鐗╃鏄釜涓撲笟鏈锛岀粨鏋滈椆浜嗕釜绗戣瘽銆

鍙互鍒ゆ柇褰撳湴鍘熸潵骞舵病鏈夎繖绉峫ily锛屾槸浜哄伐浠庡鍦/澶栧浗寮曞叆鐨勩

[Edited at 2005-09-18 05:12]


 

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瑕佷箞鏄洖璇戣呬腑鏂囧お婊, 瑕佷箞鏄ぇ甯堢紪鐨. 浠ユ涓鸿鎹鏄庝粬鑷繁鐨勮鐐, 鏈夌偣涓嶈冻涓哄嚟 Sep 18, 2005

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

鍘熸潵exotic鍦ㄨ繖閲岃缈昏瘧鎴愨滃寮傗濓紝鍥炶瘧鐨勬椂鍊欏鐞嗕负"strange unique"銆傝鍏互涓哄浣曪紵闅鹃亾涓滄柟璇█涓湡鐨勬病鏈変笌exotic鐩稿簲涔嬭緸姹囧悧锛



杩欎綅鍥炶瘧鑰呯湅涓嶆噦濂囧紓鏄竴涓瘝. 鏈璁╀汉鐑﹁簛鐨勫氨鏄緢澶氭満鏋勯氳繃鍥炶瘧璇勪环浣犵殑璇戞枃. 鍙槸, 鍥炶瘧鏂囧拰鍘熸枃鐨凞ISCREPANCY, 90%閮芥槸鍥炶瘧鑰呰瘧閿欎簡.

涓嶈繃涔熸湁寰堢埥鐨勬椂鍊. 鏈夌殑鏈烘瀯鏈夋椂浼氳姹備綘鍚屾椂鎻愪緵璇戞枃鍜屽洖璇. 杩欎笉绾睘绯婂紕灞鍎垮悧?


 

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jyuan_us wrote:
杩欎綅鍥炶瘧鑰呯湅涓嶆噦濂囧紓鏄竴涓瘝. 鏈璁╀汉鐑﹁簛鐨勫氨鏄緢澶氭満鏋勯氳繃鍥炶瘧璇勪环浣犵殑璇戞枃. 鍙槸, 鍥炶瘧鏂囧拰鍘熸枃鐨凞ISCREPANCY, 90%閮芥槸鍥炶瘧鑰呰瘧閿欎簡.

涓嶈繃涔熸湁寰堢埥鐨勬椂鍊. 鏈夌殑鏈烘瀯鏈夋椂浼氳姹備綘鍚屾椂鎻愪緵璇戞枃鍜屽洖璇. 杩欎笉绾睘绯婂紕灞鍎垮悧?


杩欎釜渚嬪瓙瀹炴湁鐗靛己闄勪細涔嬪珜銆


 

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Hee hee, but is it exact? Sep 18, 2005

Last Hermit wrote:
銆銆杩欓噷鏈夎澶氭垜浠啛鎮夌殑閲庣敓鐗╃锛屾瘮濡傝繖鏍婕備寒鐨勶紡濂界湅鐨勶紡绉缇庣殑锛忕姘旂殑锛忎繌涓界殑锛忓彲浜虹殑锛忓姩浜虹殑锛忓В涓界殑锛忓▏濯氱殑锛忓▏鏌旂殑锛忓▏鑹崇殑锛忓﹢濞滃濮跨殑锛忓Ι濯氱殑锛忕懓涓界殑锛忊︹鐧惧悎锛屽拰鎴戜滑鎵瑙佹娲蹭汉鑺卞洯閲屽煿鑲茬殑妞嶇墿涓鏍疯崇啛鑳借銆

銆銆娉細鈥渆xotic鈥濆瓧鍏搁噷閫氬父浣溾滃厖婊″紓鍥介鎯呯殑鈥濓紝浣嗚繖閲屼綔鈥滄紓浜濊В銆

鍙槸锛屽墠杈堝鏋滆涓篹xotic鍦ㄨ繖閲岀殑鎰忔濇槸婕備寒鐨勶紡濂界湅鐨勶紡绉缇庣殑锛忕姘旂殑锛忎繌涓界殑锛忓彲浜虹殑锛忓姩浜虹殑锛忓В涓界殑锛忓▏濯氱殑锛忓▏鏌旂殑锛忓▏鑹崇殑锛忓﹢濞滃濮跨殑锛忓Ι濯氱殑锛忕懓涓界殑锛忊︹绛夛紝鍘熸枃浣滆呭彲閫夌敤璇稿beautiful/good looking/pretty/elegant/agreeable/attractive...涔嬬被鐨勮瘝銆傞夌敤exotic搴旇杩樻槸鎯宠〃杈句笌杩欎簺璇嶄笉鍚岀殑蹇冩儏鍚с


 

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涔︿箣钁楄 Sep 18, 2005

The author:

Mona Baker is a freelance lecturer and consultant on translation. She's an Honoraray Research Fellow of UMIST and member of the advisory panel of the British Center for Literary Translations.

The translator for the Chinese text:

Not found in the book, but Chinese and Japanese texts required additional help to analyse; this was competently provided by MIng Xie (Chinese) and Haruko Uryu (Japanese), both at the University of Cambridge.

浣滆呭拰鎻愪緵甯姪鐨勪汉搴旇閮芥槸寰堜笓涓氱殑涓氬唴浜哄+锛岃屼笖浠庝功涓湅浣滆呮湰韬篃鏄疨racticing translator锛屽苟闈炵函鐞嗚瀹躲傚啀鐪嬶細

Back-translation, as used in this book, involves taking a text (original or translated) which is written in a language with which the reader is assumed to be unfamiliar and translating it as literally as possible.锛堟垜鎯宠繖鏄綔鑰呯殑鎼炵爺绌剁殑闇瑕侊紝骞堕潪鏈夋剰鐬庣炕銆傚鏋滄垜浠亣鍒拌繖鏍风殑鍥炶瘧锛屽綋鐒惰鍚戝鎴锋寚鍑洪偅鏄涔堢殑鏈烘鍜岃瀵笺傦級

鎴戞兂涓嶇瀹冨師鏂囩炕璇戠殑鏁翠綋璐ㄩ噺锛堝洜涓虹紪鍐欐暀鏉愰渶瑕侀【鍙婄殑鍐呭寰堝锛屼篃璁稿嚭浜庢煇绉嶇洰鐨勯渶瑕佹绉嶇炕璇戞爣鍑嗭級锛屼絾灏眅xotic涓璇嶈岃█锛屼綔鑰呮湭鍏嶆湁浜涙鏂


 

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绗戣瘽 Sep 18, 2005

jyuan_us wrote:

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

鍘熸潵exotic鍦ㄨ繖閲岃缈昏瘧鎴愨滃寮傗濓紝鍥炶瘧鐨勬椂鍊欏鐞嗕负"strange unique"銆傝鍏互涓哄浣曪紵闅鹃亾涓滄柟璇█涓湡鐨勬病鏈変笌exotic鐩稿簲涔嬭緸姹囧悧锛



杩欎綅鍥炶瘧鑰呯湅涓嶆噦濂囧紓鏄竴涓瘝. 鏈璁╀汉鐑﹁簛鐨勫氨鏄緢澶氭満鏋勯氳繃鍥炶瘧璇勪环浣犵殑璇戞枃. 鍙槸, 鍥炶瘧鏂囧拰鍘熸枃鐨凞ISCREPANCY, 90%閮芥槸鍥炶瘧鑰呰瘧閿欎簡.

涓嶈繃涔熸湁寰堢埥鐨勬椂鍊. 鏈夌殑鏈烘瀯鏈夋椂浼氳姹備綘鍚屾椂鎻愪緵璇戞枃鍜屽洖璇. 杩欎笉绾睘绯婂紕灞鍎垮悧?


鏈変釜渚︽煡杩炲琛屽啗璁粌銆傝繛闀夸笅鍛戒护锛氣滃悜鍚庝紶锛岃剼姝ユ斁杞!鈥濄備紶缁欐渶鍚庝竴鍚嶆垬澹椂浠嶆槸鈥滃悜鍚庝紶锛岃剼姝ユ斁杞伙紒鈥濄傝繛闀胯閫氫俊鍏佃窇鍒伴槦灏剧湅鐪嬪彛浠や紶瀵逛簡娌℃湁銆傝繖閫氫俊鍏垫槸灞辫タ浜猴紝浠栬窇鍥炴潵璇达細鈥滄姤鍛婅繛闀匡紝鍒氭墠浼犵殑鍙d护鏄樺喅涓嶆斁鏋紒鈥濊繛闀垮ぇ鎬掞紝璁枼閬擄細鈥滀笉鏄樺喅涓嶆斁鏋欙紝鏄樿剼姝ユ斁杞烩欙紒閫氫俊鍏典竴鑴搁敊鎰曪細鈥滄槸鈥樺喅涓嶆斁鏋欏憖鈥濓紵:-D


 

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妞嶇墿瀛︾瓑: exotic = 澶栨潵 Sep 18, 2005

妞嶇墿瀛︾瓑: exotic = 澶栨潵

indigenous/exotic = native/introduced

涔濆灞辫嚜鐒朵繚鎶ゅ尯鏈湡鍜屽鏉ョ弽绋婵掑嵄妞嶇墿鐨勬緞娓 - [ Translate this page ]
鑷劧淇濇姢鍖虹鐞嗛儴闂ㄤ笉浠呰寤虹珛鏈湡鐗╃鐨勬。妗堬紝涔熷簲寤虹珛澶栨潵鐗╃鐨勬。妗堛 鍏抽敭璇嶄節瀹
灞辫嚜鐒朵繚鎶ゅ尯锛涚弽绋婵掑嵄妞嶇墿锛涙湰鍦熺锛涘鏉ョ锛涗繚鎶. Clarification of Indigenous and
Exotic Rare and Endangered Plant Species in Jiugongshan Nature Reserve ...
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涔″湡妞嶇墿鍙婂叾鍦ㄥぉ娲ュ煄甯傜豢鍦颁腑鐨勫簲鐢ㄧ爺绌秥http://www.channelwest.com - [ Translate this page ]
鍏抽敭璇嶃戜埂鍦熸鐗╋紱 鍩庡競缁垮湴锛 澶栨潵鏍戠锛 鏍戠瑙勫垝. Studies on Indigenous Plants
and its Application in Urban Green Space of Tianji ... 銆怟ey words銆 indigenous
plants; urban green space; exotic plants; tree species planning ...
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exotic = 1 unusual and exciting eg exotic clothes 2 from a distant and interesting country eg exotic food, exotic smells (鏈楁枃杩涢樁璇嶅吀) - yes, there are Chinese words for this...

It sounds like an uninformed comment or a myth to me...

exotic (etymology) - exotic is derived from L.< Gr. exotikos < exo, outside
exotic = (adj) 1 foreign, not native 2 strangely beautiful, enticing, etc. (n) 1 a foreign or imported thing 2 a plant that is not native (Collins Concise English Dictionary)

The writer's comment is ignorant nonsense and poorly written. She has 1 conflated the two meanings of exotic in English ('exotic lily' is ambiguous actually. Without context here you don't know which meaning is intended, the botanical or the general) 2 passed on a myth about Chinese language which some Westerners might like to believe but which is simply not true. (Having said this it works the other way too. There are myths around in China about the West which are simply not true too, but which people like to believe, and there are myths about how different Chinese language is and how difficult it is to learn and so on...)

[Edited at 2005-09-19 01:46]

Don't forget China has used 娲 in this way for many years to denote foreign/exotic/different and 澶栨潵(introduced), also 鑳(鑳¤悵鍗),鐣(鐣寗).Any empire or civilisation has its outsiders, and world history means plants and animals have been introduced to most countries.

[Edited at 2005-09-19 02:05]


 

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IMHO Sep 18, 2005

The author has a valid point in that it's not always possible to find a one-to-one equivalent for every term. Languages originate from everyday life, which differs culture to culture. There are bound to be differences in the terms people use.

The main purpose of translating forward and back is to verify that the intended translation is not totally out of whack. In this case it was a scholarly exercise to prove a point.

As for "exotic", "濂囧紓鐨" seems to be a pretty good translation. Some others that come to mind would be "鍒嚧鐨" or "鍒叿寮傚浗浠栦埂椋庡懗鐨". IMHO there were plenty of better examples that the author could have chosen to prove her point.

[Edited at 2005-09-18 18:49]


 

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淇哄彲鑳芥湁鐐圭蹇椾笉娓 Sep 18, 2005

銆銆杩欌渆xotic鈥濈殑绗竴涔夐」灏辨槸鎸団滅敓浜庡紓鍩熲濈殑锛屽彲淇哄彈NODE鐨勫奖鍝嶏紝寮勪簡涓澶у爢褰㈠璇嶅嚭鏉ワ細
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銆銆鐪嬫潵锛屼亢涓嶅疁涓蹇冧簩鐢ㄣ
銆銆鈥滆繕鏈夊ぇ楸艰鐓庘濄傚鍚庯紒



Shaun Yeo wrote:

Last Hermit wrote:
杩欓噷鏈夎澶氭垜浠啛鎮夌殑閲庣敓鐗╃锛屾瘮濡傝繖鏍婕備寒鐨勶紡濂界湅鐨勶紡绉缇庣殑锛忕姘旂殑锛忎繌涓界殑锛忓彲浜虹殑锛忓姩浜虹殑锛忓В涓界殑锛忓▏濯氱殑锛忓▏鏌旂殑锛忓▏鑹崇殑锛忓﹢濞滃濮跨殑锛忓Ι濯氱殑锛忕懓涓界殑锛忊︹鐧惧悎锛屽拰鎴戜滑鎵瑙佹娲蹭汉鑺卞洯閲屽煿鑲茬殑妞嶇墿涓鏍疯崇啛鑳借銆
娉細鈥渆xotic鈥濆瓧鍏搁噷閫氬父浣溾滃厖婊″紓鍥介鎯呯殑鈥濓紝浣嗚繖閲屼綔鈥滄紓浜濊В銆

闅愬+鍏勫ソ锛佸悇浣嶅ソ锛
鏍规嵁OED锛宔xotic濡傚綋褰㈠璇嶄娇锛屾湁濂藉嚑涓剰鎬濓紝鐩稿叧鐨勫ぇ鑷村彲瑙d负锛
a. Belonging to another country, foreign, alien (obs.). b. In narrowed sense: Introduced from abroad, not indigenous. Now chiefly of plants (in popular language with added sense of 鈥榥ot naturalized or acclimatized鈥); also, of words, forms of speech or writing, fashions, etc.

閭d箞锛屽鏋滀笉寮曚几寰楀お澶氾紝鎴栧彲鑰冭檻鈥滆嚜澶栧浗寮曡繘鐨勭櫨鍚堣姳鈥︹︹濓紵

鍙﹀锛岄殣澹厔锛屸滆崇啛鑳借鈥濇槸鍚︾敤寰楁瘮杈冣滃啋闄┾濅簡鐐癸紵鏍规嵁銆婁腑鍥芥垚璇ぇ杈炲吀銆嬶紝鍏朵箟涓猴細鍚緱鐔熸倝锛屼箖鑷冲彲浠ヨ灏藉湴澶嶈堪鍑烘潵銆備竴鏄繖familarity涓嶄竴瀹氭槸鍚潵鐨勶紝鍙兘鏄湰鏂囦綔鑰呮湰韬爺绌舵墍寰楋紱浜屾槸锛屼綔鑰呭浐鐒剁啛鎮夛紝浣嗕笉涓瀹氬埌浜嗏滆兘璇︹濈殑绋嬪害銆傛垜杩欎箞璇村彲鑳芥湁鐐瑰惞姣涙眰鐤碉紝浣嗗洜涓烘病鏈変笂涓嬫枃锛岃瘧鑰呮棤浠庡緱鐭ワ紝鎵浠ワ紝缈昏瘧鏃舵垨闇姹傜ǔ锛屼互鍏嶅け涔嬫鏂紵


[Edited at 2005-09-18 05:05]


 

Xiaoping Fu  Identity Verified
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context!!! Sep 18, 2005

wherestip wrote:

The author has a valid point in that it's not always possible to find a one-to-one equivalent for every term. Languages originate from everyday life, which differs culture to culture. There are bound to be differences in the terms people use.

The main purpose of translating forward and back is to verify that the intended translation is not totally out of whack. In this case it was a scholarly exercise to prove a point.

As for "exotic", "濂囧紓鐨" seems to be a pretty good translation. Some others that come to mind would be "鍒嚧鐨" or "鍒叿寮傚浗浠栦埂椋庡懗鐨". IMHO there were plenty of better examples that the author could have chosen to prove her point.

[Edited at 2005-09-18 18:49]


鎴戝悓鎰 wheretip 鐨勭湅娉曘傚湪涓瀹氱殑璇涓紝exotic 缈昏瘧涓衡滃寮傜殑鈥濇槸涓笉閿欑殑銆傚鏋滄垜浠煡涓涓嬫眽鑻辫瘝鍏革紝鈥滃鑺卞紓鑽夆濆鍗婄炕璇戞垚鈥渆xotic flowers and rare herbs 鈥濄

鍦ㄨ瑙h瘝涓庤瘝鐨勫搴旈棶棰樻椂锛屼笉鑳藉繕浜嗕竴鍒囬兘鍙栧喅浜庤澧冿紝杩欐槸缈昏瘧鐨勯噾绉戠帀寰嬨


 

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涓浗浜烘妸鏉ヨ嚜闈炴湰鍦熺殑涓滆タ鎻忚堪涓轰綅鈥滃厖婊″紓鍥芥儏璋冪殑鈥濓紝鈥滈鎯呬竾绉嶁...... Sep 18, 2005

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鎴戝湪缈昏瘧涓紝涔熼亣鍒拌繃鑻︽濆啣鎯冲鏃ヨ繕瀵圭炕璇戜笉婊℃剰鐨勭粡鍘嗭紝鎬绘兂鍋氬埌鐧惧垎涔嬬櫨鐨勮创鍒囥傝鍋氬埌瀛楀瓧鍙ュ彞鐧惧垎涔嬬櫨鐨勫惢鍚堝拰璐村垏鐪熶笉瀹规槗銆傛垜涓嶈涓鸿繖鏄粷瀵圭殑锛屾垜鏇存敞鎰忕殑鏄剰澧冪殑姣旇緝鍜岃创杩戯紝鐣欎竴鐐规兂璞$┖闂存槸鏃犲Θ鐨勩

璇磋捣鈥渆xotic鈥濈殑渚嬪瓙锛岃タ鏂逛汉鎻忚堪涓滄柟鎴栨潵鑷笢鏂圭殑浜哄拰鐗╃殑鏃跺欙紝鍠滄浣跨敤杩欎釜瀛椼傚儚Last Hermit鎸囧嚭鐨勨滅涓涔夐」灏辨槸鎸団樼敓浜庡紓鍩熺殑鈥欌濄備篃鍙互鏇磋繘涓姝ョ悊瑙d负鏉ヨ嚜涓滄柟鐨勶紝鑰屼笖璁╀汉鍚戝線鐨勩傚悓鐞嗭紝涓浗浜轰篃鏈夌浉瀵瑰簲鐨勬劅鍙楋紝鎶婃潵鑷潪鏈湡鐨勪笢瑗挎弿杩颁负浣嶁滃厖婊″紓鍥芥儏璋冪殑鈥濓紝鈥滈鎯呬竾绉嶁濈瓑銆傛垜璁や负涓浗浜哄湪鎻忚堪瀵瑰紓鍩熺幆澧冨拰浜虹墿鐨勬劅鍙楁椂锛屾槸鏈夌浉瀵圭殑琛ㄨ揪鏂囧瓧鐨勩

Kevin


 

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I like your discussion and want to join. Sep 19, 2005

鐪嬩簡鍚勪綅鐨勭儹鐑堣璁, 涔熸兂鍙傚姞璇村嚑鍙: 璞XOTIC杩欑被鍗曡瘝鑻辨枃閲岃繕鐪熶笉灏. 瀹冧滑鐨勫搴旇瘝姹囧苟闈炴槸涓枃閲岄潰娌℃湁, 鑰屾槸寰寰鏈夊ソ鍑犱釜, 灏辩湅涓庝箣鎼厤鐨勬槸浠涔. (涓栫晫鍚勫ぇ鏂囨槑鑷充粖, 浣犳湁鎴戞病鏈夌殑涓滆タ瀹炲湪宸茬粡寰堝皯.灏ゅ叾鏄釜姒傚康.)

鍙鎴戜滑璇戣呮潵璇, 杩欑被鍙伒娲诲缃殑鍗曡瘝鏃㈠彲璁╂垜浠厼璐硅嫤蹇,鍙堢粰鎴戜滑鍏呭垎鍙戞尌鐨勪綑鍦.涓嶆槸鍚? (鍦ㄥ悕璇嶄笂,璇戝埗鏃舵兂瑕佷慨杈炲ソ涓鐐归兘涓嶈, 涔熸病蹇呰.) 杩欑被璇嶅苟涓嶅睘浜庝竴璇嶅鎰, 鑰屽線寰鏄竴涓蹇.鍙笉杩囦腑鏂囬噷杩欎釜姒傚康鍙兘瑕佺敤涓杩炰覆鐨勫瓧鎵嶈兘璇存竻妤, 鐢氳嚦鏄竴涓剰缇, 鑰岃嫳璇腑灏辨槸鐢变竴涓崟璇嶆潵鎵挎媴鐨.杩欑被鍗曡瘝涓嶅彧闄愪簬褰㈠璇, 鍚嶈瘝涔熸湁. 璁板緱褰撳鐢熸椂, 鏈変竴娆′綔涓氫笓闂ㄨ鎴戜滑璇戜竴浜涗釜璇嶅吀閲屾煡鍑烘潵涔熸槸妯℃1涓ゅ彲鐨勮瘝鍎. (涓涓鏈熺殑娉涜璇句箣鍚.) 鍏朵腑鏈変釜 serendipity, 琚瘧寰椾簲鑺卞叓闂, 鍏ㄧ彮鍚屽娌℃湁鐩稿悓鐨. 鏈鍚庤佸笀璇磋繖涓瘝鏄釜姒傚康, 鍓嶄汉璇戣繃: 鈥滄鎵撴鐫.鈥

鍦ㄨ繖浠ュ墠鎬讳互涓烘眽璇瘝姹囨瘮鑻辫鍗曡瘝瑷绠鎰忚祬, 鍙ゆ眽璇洿椤剁敤. 璋佺煡鑻辨枃閲屼篃浼氭湁杩欑被涓滆タ.璁╀綘闈炲埉鐩浉鐪嬩笉鍙.

灏辫EXOTIC杩欎釜璇嶅惂, 鎴戣涓哄師璇戝緢濂. 甯歌█閬撯滃鑺卞紓鑽夆濆師璇戠殑"濂囧紓"涓嶆槸寰堣创鍒囧悧? (Foreign杩欏眰鎰忔濆凡缁忔湁浜)

閭d箞EXOTIC涔熸槸缇庝附鐨勫悧?褰撶劧鍟!灏辫薄 Last Hermit 璇寸殑. 瑕佹槸鍚庨潰璺熺殑鏄コ瀛, 灏辨槸閭e氨璞 Kavin 璇寸殑"寮傚浗鎯呰." 浣嗚繖鍎挎槸鑺辫崏,"濂囧紓"灏卞璇存槑鏄編鐨勪簡, 杩樻槀璐靛憿. 鎴戞湁鍑犱釜鐩镐氦浜屽崄澶氬勾鏃犺瘽涓嶈皥鐨勭櫧浜烘湅鍙,鏈夊嚑娆¤皥鍙婂ソ鏉ュ潪閫夊崕瑁斿コ婕斿憳,涓轰綍鎬绘寫浜涘疄鍦ㄨ鍗庝汉闅句互鎭淮鐨勮劯搴, 浠栦滑鐨勫洖绛斿嚑涔庡悓鍑轰竴杈: Oh! she looks very exotic to me.

鍏跺疄鎴戜滑涔熶竴鏍. 鍏崄骞翠唬鎴戝湪鍥藉唴缇庢湳瀛﹂櫌鍛嗚繃澶氬勾,涓庝笉灏戠敾瀹舵垚浜嗗ソ鍙.寰楃煡涓浜涗粬浠殑鍒涗綔婧愭硥鍡滃ソ鍜屼範鎬.澶у浜虹墿鐢诲,涓骞翠竴搴︾殑澶栧嚭鍐欑敓涓嶆槸寰鏂扮枂璺戝氨鏄線涓芥睙鍘. (褰撴椂鎵鑳藉埌杈句箣鏋侀檺) 閭e勾浠g敾瀹惰繕娌$幇鍦ㄨ繖涔堝瘜鍛. 鑰屼笖鏉窞涓婃捣瑗挎柦鐜夌幆浼肩殑浜哄効澶氬緱鏄.鍙粬浠杩欑缇庝附宸蹭範浠ヤ负甯,淇℃墜鎷堟潵.鑰屾瘡娆″啓鐢熷洖鏉ョ殑鐢诲鎬绘槸涔愭粙婊嬬殑,濂借薄閲囪嵂鐨勪粠灞遍噷鑳屽洖浜嗘弧婊$殑绠╂.鍥犱负鍦ㄩ偅鍎跨湅鍒扮殑浜虹墿浣夸粬浠"鍏磋嚧鍕冨彂".鎴戞湁骞搁殢琛岃タ鍗楀娆,鏈夋椂鍒涗綔鐨勫啿鍔ㄨ繕浠や粬浠懠鍚稿姞蹇,鎵嬭噦棰ゅ姩. (That's exciting!)

鍥炲埌鍘熷彞. "濂囧紓"铏借涓嶉敊, 浣嗗彞瀛愮粨鏋勬垜璁や负Last Hermit鐨勬洿濂.(鍏蜂綋鐢ㄨ瘝鍙埆璁╂垜鐜颁笐.鎰垮惉鍚勪綅楂樿.)

灏忓钩鍏堢敓杩欎釜绗戣瘽鍊掓槸缁濆鐨勬瘮鍠.搴旇鎴愪负涓涓粡鍏,鑰屼笖鎴戜滑璇戣呰甯稿紩鐢. 浣嗚璁╅偅浜涙兂鍑洖璇戞硶鏉ヨ鲸璁よ瘧鏂囧ソ鍧忕殑浜烘槑鐧借繖涓鐐,澶у鐪嬬敤浠涔堝姙娉曞ソ鍛?

璋㈣阿 Jiangjun 鎶藉嚭浜嗕竴涓紩鍙戦偅涔堝璁ㄨ鐨勮瘽棰.


 
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