News report: Google in China
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chica nueva
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The report can be accessed here...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3551437a12,00.html


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Wenjer Leuschel  Identity Verified
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Another report Jan 26, 2006

Another report can be accessed here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm



To break through the Great Firewall of China

http://www.dongtaiwang.com/

[Edited at 2006-01-26 07:19]


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我在BBC这篇报道页还投了一票 Jan 26, 2006

但看形势,我有点儿搞不清到底谁是螳臂当车

Wenjer Leuschel wrote:

Another report can be accessed here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm

To break through the Great Firewall of China

http://www.dongtaiwang.com/

[Edited at 2006-01-26 07:19]


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鴕鳥心態 Jan 26, 2006

chance wrote:

但看形势,我有点儿搞不清到底谁是螳臂当车



把頭埋在沙子裡就看不見外在的挑戰了。我想,大概也只有理不直、氣不狀、無法以德服人者才需要採取暴力吧。


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利益所在 Jan 26, 2006

Lesley McLachlan wrote:

The report can be accessed here...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3551437a12,00.html[/quote]
为了经济利益,可以拒绝向美国政府交付搜索用语的数据库,冠以保护用户隐私之堂皇理由。为了经济利益当然也可以做些让步,即使以用户的损失为代价。

奇怪吗?政治与经济的关系就是这样的。

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Heartfelt congratuations to the world's 8th miracle: the Great Firewall of China! Jan 27, 2006

We, on behalf of the world of ignorant bliss, and representing the delirious miners,dead or alive, the land reclaimed peasants in utter happiness and harmony, the homeless, happless or not, and all those enjoying the climax of the embrace of the sweet Nanny, wish to extend our most heartfelt thanks for the materialisation of this unprecedented, unrivalled and unusual yet sensational event.

We'd like to thank the following (in alphabetical order) hi-tech companies for their tremendous contribution to make this happen:

Cisco
Google
Microsoft Corporation,
Yahoo
and many more...


Office of the 3 Wise Monkeys (milkyway-wide)

We speak no evil, see no evil and hear no evil.

We are the world.

It's such a wonderful world!

[Edited at 2006-01-27 11:38]


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Wenjer Leuschel  Identity Verified
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事不干己 Jan 27, 2006

Lu Zou wrote:

为了经济利益,可以拒绝向美国政府交付搜索用语的数据库,冠以保护用户隐私之堂皇理由。为了经济利益当然也可以做些让步,即使以用户的损失为代价。

奇怪吗?政治与经济的关系就是这样的。


紐倫堡大審上,大多數被告的辯護都是「守法奉命」,二戰後的德國人對自己國家社會的大浩劫也百思不解,不是以為自己罪孽深重,就是以為自己完全無罪,有罪的是上面那些人。

其實,納粹的現象並不難理解。我們不妨做個 Gedankenexperiment (這是腦袋裡的實驗,確實有人在研究室裡做過):告訴受測者,五分鐘時間,只要按下按鈕,每按一下就有一千個非洲人死去,每按一下他可以得到一千美元。受測者會按下按鈕嗎?他在五分鐘內會按多少下?

納粹的現象和世間許多不義的發生,都是這樣發生的:事不干己;我並沒有看見人死,我也沒有看見不義,我當然沒有看見邪惡,我只不過為了我的荷包多按了幾下按鈕而已。很少有人意會到,每個人的每個動作都會影響到整個人類的前途。在生態環境保護的議題上如此,在社會運作合理化的議題上也是如此,強勢者對弱勢者的不義總是找得到 justification,情勢翻轉時突然發現的真理也會讓人無奈。

這個世界上的人都是好人,可,為什麼好人會對好人做出壞事呢?

[Edited at 2006-01-28 07:32]


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据我所知,Google比Yahoo强,至少抵制到现在 Jan 27, 2006

至少还没到了需要出卖的地步!

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Can't log onto those pages. Jan 27, 2006

老子曰:「虛其心,實其腹」此之謂也。

"IT WAS the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way- in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

A tale of two cities -- Charles Dickens

Great wall contained the greatness; firewall shall backfire. My humblest opinion.


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Stuff link doesn't work Jan 27, 2006

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

老子曰:「虛其心,實其腹」此之謂也。

"IT WAS the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to Heaven, we were all going direct the other way- in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only."

A tale of two cities -- Charles Dickens

Great wall contained the greatness; firewall shall backfire. My humblest opinion.


I know the Stuff link doesn't work. Can you cut and paste it as a URL. The report is from Reuters.


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chica nueva
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Russia is heading in a similar direction? Jan 27, 2006

Last Hermit wrote:

We, on behalf of the world of ignorant bliss, and representing the delirious miners,dead or alive, the land reclaimed peasants in utter happiness and harmony, the homeless, happless or not, and all those enjoying the climax of the embrace of the sweet Nanny, wish to extend our most heartfelt thanks for the materialisation of this unprecedented, unrivalled and unusual yet sensational event.

We'd like to thank the following (in alphabetical order) hi-tech companies for their tremendous contribution to make this happen:

Cisco
Google
Microsoft Corporation,
Yahoo
and many more...


Office of the 3 Wise Monkeys (milkyway-wide)

We speak no evil, see no evil and hear no evil.

We are the world.

It's such a wonderful world!

[Edited at 2006-01-27 11:38]


Russia is heading in a similar direction...?
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2006/01/26/005.html
The complete article was reprinted in our paper today. further down:
...
'The Kremlin wants Russia's civil society as docile and closed as its so-called verticals of power in the executive,legislative and judicial branches, where only privileged patriots are allowed to interact with the outer world.'...


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Test for 建軍兄 Jan 28, 2006

測試,測試。


祝大家

新年如意!平安喜樂!


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轉貼 Jan 28, 2006

http://www.dongtaiwang.com/ 這網頁上看到的信息如下:


访问任何网站(http或https)

保证继续能上动态网的方法(一月七日更新)
(一般一个方法临时不行的话,等几分钟再试)
订阅动态网
将电子邮件输入动态网首页上的“电子邮件订阅”,点击“订阅”键,就能每一两周收到动态网技术更新,掌握最新突破网络封锁的办法。

自由门软件
这个是最简单的,适用于多数网络环境。下载后 ,双击执行文件即可运行。

动网通软件
和自由门同样简单,适用于多数网络环境。下载后 ,双击执行文件即可运行。

MSN
如果您使用MSN免费即时消息服务的话,可以用MSN免费即时消息给dweb001@hotmail.com, dweb002@hotmail.com, dweb003@hotmail.com, dweb004@hotmail.com, 或 dweb005@hotmail.com 发一个短信,一分钟内会收到几个IP。 下载地址:http://messenger.microsoft.com/cn/
如果看不到以上帐号在线,这是因为每个MSN帐号只能接受一定数目的人加其为联系人,超过后再加就显示不在线, 实际很可能在线。用MSN上面的菜单栏里的“操作”那一栏, 然后->“发送即时信息”然后->“其他”,然后会看见“输入电子邮件地址”那一栏,在里面输入以上帐号中的一个 如:dweb005@hotmail.com,然后点“确定”,就会出现和这个帐号的对话框, 随便发几个字母就可以即时得到有效的 IP地址。一个帐号不行,可以多试几个。

雅虎通
如果您使用雅虎通的话,可以给dweb_ip@yahoo.com发一个即时短信,一分钟内会收到几个IP。或者可以把dweb_ip@yahoo.com加为“朋友”,一上线就可以从雅虎通中dweb_ip看到动态网的IP。 雅虎通可以在http://cn.messenger.yahoo.com/下载。您得有一个雅虎的电子邮件才能用雅虎通。

电子邮件
给d_ip@earthlink.net发一个电子邮件,10分钟内会收到回信,拿到几个IP。


当前网址
https://w8.alphachip.com/
https://w8.ates2.com/
https://w8.base-v.ch/


技术支持
如有任何问题或意见,请反馈到动态网论坛。请尽量详细描述您的系统环境和上网环境。



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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4645596.stm 看到的內容如下:


Google censors itself for China


See Google China
Leading internet company Google has said it will censor its search services in China in order to gain greater access to China's fast-growing market.
Google has offered a Chinese-language version of its search engine for years but users have been frustrated by government blocks on the site.

The company is setting up a new site - Google.cn - which it will censor itself to satisfy the authorities in Beijing.

Google argued it would be more damaging to pull out of China altogether.

While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information... is more inconsistent with our mission

Google statement


Chinese results toe the line

Critics warn the new version could restrict access to thousands of sensitive terms and web sites. Such topics are likely to include independence for Taiwan and the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.

The Chinese government keeps a tight rein on the internet and what users can access. The BBC news site is inaccessible, while a search on Google.cn for the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement directs users to a string of condemnatory articles.

Google's move in China comes less than a week after it resisted efforts by the US Department of Justice to make it disclose data on what people were searching for.


Google has lost ground to Beijing-based web search company Baidu

Google hopes its new address will make the search engine easier to use and quicker.

Its e-mail, chat room and blogging services will not be available because of concerns the government could demand users' personal information.

Google said it planned to notify users when access had been restricted on certain search terms.

The company argues it can play a more useful role in China by participating than by boycotting it, despite the compromises involved.

"While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission," a statement said.

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Julian Pain, internet spokesman for campaign group Reporters Without Borders, said Google's decision to "collaborate" with the Chinese government was "a real shame".

The number of internet search users in China is predicted to increase from about 100 million currently to 187 million in two years' time.

A survey last August revealed Google was losing market share to Beijing-based rival Baidu.com.

Last year, Yahoo was accused of supplying data to China that was used as evidence to jail a Chinese journalist for 10 years.


[Edited at 2006-01-28 02:07]


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http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3551437a12,00.html 看到的內容如下:


GREAT FIREWALL OF CHINA: A Chinese internet user browses for information. The internet search giant Google has bowed to Beijing and will block politically-sensitive terms on its new China site in return for access to the world's number-two internet market.
Reuters




Google to censor sensitive terms in China
26 January 2006

SAN FRANCISCO/SHANGHAI: Internet search giant Google Inc will block politically sensitive terms on its new China site, bowing to conditions set by Beijing in return for access to the world's number-two internet market.


The voluntary concessions laid out yesterday by Google, which is launching a China-based search site as it officially enters the market, would parallel similar self-censorship already practised there by most multinationals and domestic players.

Home-grown giants like Sohu.com Inc and Baidu.com Inc, along with China sites operated by Yahoo Inc and Microsoft, all routinely block searches on politically sensitive terms such as the Falun Gong spiritual movement and Taiwan independence.

"In order to operate from China, we have removed some content from the search results available on Google.cn in response to local law, regulation or policy," Andrew McLaughlin, Google's senior policy counsel, said in a statement.

"While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission."

Google, known for its "Don't do evil" mantra, is developing its China approach as it seeks to strike a balance between the freedom of information it champions and the censorship demanded by Beijing, which controls access to China's 111 million internet users.

The company added that at least for now, it will stay away from e-mail and blogging in China, which have been the source of recent controversies after Beijing demanded information on an e-mail user from Yahoo, and Microsoft pulled down a politically sensitive posting from its China-based blog service.

Google said it will also stay away from chat rooms, another popular form of expression over the internet.

OFFERINGS

Instead, it said it would initially offer four of its core services  website and image search, Google News and local search  while working towards introducing additional services over time.

"Other products  such as Gmail and Blogger  will be introduced only when we are comfortable that we can do so in a way that strikes a proper balance among our commitments to satisfy users' interests, expand access to information, and respond to local conditions," McLaughlin said.

The first glimpse at Google's new Chinese offerings comes less than a week after it resisted the US Justice Department's efforts to get information about commonly used sex search terms. That government demand was met by Yahoo and Microsoft, spokesmen for those companies said.

AdvertisementAdvertisement"China is the most repressive censorship regime on the internet," said John Palfrey, one of the principal investigators on a joint university research project on global internet censorship known as the OpenNet Initiative.

He estimated that through active and passive censorship tens of thousands of search terms are blocked for Web users in China.

Google has long offered a full-featured Chinese language version of its Google.com service available to users world-wide and run from computers in its California headquarters.

But the company is preparing to run the service from China under a site with the local suffix ".cn", after getting a business licence to operate in the market last year, hiring two key executives to head its China operation and signing up an initial round of partners to market some of its ad services.

Google officials said they planned to notify users of its Google.cn service when the company has restricted access to certain search terms or the websites behind them.

In different political circumstances, Google also notifies users of its German, French and US services when it blocks access to material such as banned Nazi sites in Europe.



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