Illustrator - which CAT to use?
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Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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Jun 14, 2011

Dear All,

I have to quote on a job that involves the translation of a pdf file that was created in Adobe Illustrator.

I've translated a large number of such projects, but always through an agency, so I only had to deal with .ttx source files, which I'm quite comfortable with.

This time it's a direct client that seems to lack localization expertise.

I have full licences for Trados 2007, Deja Vu X 2 and MemoQ 4.5. I use DVX2 (previously DVX) f
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Dear All,

I have to quote on a job that involves the translation of a pdf file that was created in Adobe Illustrator.

I've translated a large number of such projects, but always through an agency, so I only had to deal with .ttx source files, which I'm quite comfortable with.

This time it's a direct client that seems to lack localization expertise.

I have full licences for Trados 2007, Deja Vu X 2 and MemoQ 4.5. I use DVX2 (previously DVX) for 99,9% of my projects.

What is the best procedure to handle Illustrator .ai files? I would prefer handling these directly in DVX2. If this doesn't work, converting them to .ttx (how?), and then translate these as usual in DVX2. I'd be willing to use MemoQ as well, although I haven't really used this CAT yet.

Any ideas?

thanks,
Csaba
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José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
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Use InFix Pro Jun 14, 2011

If it's a PDF already, you may translate it directly. Forget Illustrator.

Check it out here. It will export all the text from PDF to a XML file, which you can translate using whatever CAT tool you prefer. I use WordFast. My workflow is described ...
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If it's a PDF already, you may translate it directly. Forget Illustrator.

Check it out here. It will export all the text from PDF to a XML file, which you can translate using whatever CAT tool you prefer. I use WordFast. My workflow is described here.

I am a PageMaker wizard, have been using successive versions of it for 20+ years. However I've never used any other DTP program. When all the client needed was a translated PDF, I could quickly recreate any publication with PM. Now I don't care how a publication was created any more; I ask for the PDF and translate directly on it.

Of course, you'll have to do some DTP adjustments for overflowing text. That's what the original InFix was designed for. There are plenty of tools to do it there. Yet there is one caveat about InFix: it's one program where you must read the whole instruction manual, as it contains a lot of apparently hidden tools.
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Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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Sorry - InDesign Jun 14, 2011

Sorry for my ignorance.

Apparently the file was created in InDesign and can be edited by pages in Illustrator.


 

José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
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Makes no difference, if it's a PDF Jun 14, 2011

It may be InDesign, QuarkXpress, FrameMaker, PageMaker, Scribus, even MS Word or any other. PDF is a common output format, as if it were printed paper.

However InFix does not handle scanned PDFs. In these, the letter "O", for instance, ir just a circle; there is no text to translate there, if you get my point.


 

Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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Obrigado Jun 14, 2011

Dear José,

Thank you for the tip using InFix. I successfully created an .xml file out of .pdf.

In DVX2 I first created a file specific XML filter, then imported the .xml file, but I'm not happy with the segmentation. Apparently there's a segment break wherever there should be a formatting tag (e.g. or ). I still have to play around with the XML filter I suppose to fix this problem.

Csaba


 

José Henrique Lamensdorf  Identity Verified
Brazil
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That's part of the deal Jun 14, 2011

InFix will preserve all formatting by means of tags. This means that if the original pub has a different initial letter, or some text uses "small caps" (which software conversts into smaller size uppercase letters), you'll have to deal with that, just as if you were doing it in InDesign or whatever.

If there is some PDF internal segmentation, i.e. one whole paragraph broken into several lines, you can unite it back (manually, of course - but it's quick) by using a command named "Mar
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InFix will preserve all formatting by means of tags. This means that if the original pub has a different initial letter, or some text uses "small caps" (which software conversts into smaller size uppercase letters), you'll have to deal with that, just as if you were doing it in InDesign or whatever.

If there is some PDF internal segmentation, i.e. one whole paragraph broken into several lines, you can unite it back (manually, of course - but it's quick) by using a command named "Marshall Text". As I said, you must read the manual, but it will be well worth the effort.
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Selcuk Akyuz  Identity Verified
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XML PDF Filter Jun 14, 2011

Csaba Ban wrote:

In DVX2 I first created a file specific XML filter, then imported the .xml file, but I'm not happy with the segmentation. Apparently there's a segment break wherever there should be a formatting tag (e.g. or ). I still have to play around with the XML filter I suppose to fix this problem.


Hi Csaba,

There is already a filter for DVX at C:\Program Files\Iceni\Infix4\Translation support\Deja Vu X so there is no need to create a new one.

Selcuk


 

Csaba Ban  Identity Verified
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thank you Jun 16, 2011

Thank you both for your valuable input.

InFix is a great tool indeed

FYI, I contacted their support staff to find out if the 30 dollar Pay and Save scheme comes with the Text Marshalling function enabled, and they replied within an hour - yes, it's enabled.

Csaba


 


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