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Faustine Roux  Identity Verified
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Jun 15, 2013

Bonjour,

J'ai besoin d'aide pour choisir un (ou plusieurs) dictionnaire(s) d'argot français, et/ou anglais-français. Quels sont les meilleurs? Les plus complets? Les plus modernes?

Dans l'idéal, j'aimerais aussi trouver un dictionnaire au format "mot normal"==> liste de
synonymes argotiques. Mais je ne sais pas si ça existe!

Toutes vos suggestions seront les bienvenues.

Merci d'avance.

PS: si vous avez des références pour les dicos d'argot anglais, je suis preneuse aussi.


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David Hayes  Identity Verified
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Quelques idées Jun 15, 2013

Voici quelques idées:

http://books.google.fr/books/about/Pardon_My_French.html?id=8tH0ziA2xK0C&redir_esc=y

Mais ça change tout le temps et l'Internet est sans doute la meilleure façon de se tenir au courant.


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Stephen Schwanbeck  Identity Verified
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Deux suggestions Jun 15, 2013

Bonjour.

Je conseille le "Harrap's Slang!" et "D!rty French". Les deux sont d'actualité.

Le premier, plus complet que le second, contient des encadrés thématiques (l'alcool, le corps, Black American slang, Tabloid speak ...) ainsi que "des explications des nuances d'usage, des explications sur des expressions et des formules posant des problèmes de traduction particuliers et des explications sur certains termes indissociables d'un contexte culturel ou social donné."

Le second, comme son nom indique, contient beaucoup d'argot "cru" (Body French, Horny French) ainsi que de l'argot des "djeunes". C'est vraiment la "bible" pour ceux qui veulent apprendre l'argot qu'on entend dans la rue (ou la téci). Ecrit avec beaucoup d'humour et destiné à un public anglophone, il contient également beaucoup d'explications sur des spécificités françaises (le verlan, le sport, l'art de l'insulte français, les médias, les vedettes [dont Johnny !] ...).

http://www.amazon.com/Harraps-French-English-Dictionary-Slang/dp/0245536019/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1371290313&sr=8-5&keywords=harrap's%20slang

http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-French-Everyday-Slang-Whats/dp/1569756589/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1371290360&sr=1-1&keywords=dirty%20french

Bonne lecture !

Stephen

[Edited at 2013-06-15 10:35 GMT]


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Paul Roux  Identity Verified
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Une suggestion Jun 15, 2013

Bien que déjà ancien, le "dictionnaire de l'Argot" (Jean-Paul Colin et Jean-Pierre Mével) édité par Larousse au début des années 90 et plusieurs fois actualisé depuis reste un bon ouvrage de référence. Il contient notamment des citations d'emploi des mots figurant au dictionnaire.

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Jo1
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Puissiez-vous pouvoir y puiser quelque chose qui vous intéresse Jun 15, 2013

http://www.onyva.es/dictionnaires_langues.htm

et Dictionnaire Argot-Français par Napoléon HAYARD (1907) constamment mis à jour mais unilingue.

[Edited at 2013-06-15 11:09 GMT]

[Edited at 2013-06-15 11:17 GMT]


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Nikki Scott-Despaigne  Identity Verified
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Harrap's Jun 15, 2013

Harrap's seems to be popular among the French but not everywhere. I personally avoid anything with Harrap's written on it as I find that even when they bring out a new dictionary, they are not up to date. It must be a personal thing, but anything with Roberts or Collins on it gets my vote. I avoid Harrap's like the plague.

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Stephen Schwanbeck  Identity Verified
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Harrap's bis Jun 15, 2013

Nikki Scott-Despaigne wrote:

Harrap's seems to be popular among the French but not everywhere. I personally avoid anything with Harrap's written on it as I find that even when they bring out a new dictionary, they are not up to date. It must be a personal thing, but anything with Roberts or Collins on it gets my vote. I avoid Harrap's like the plague.



I've never used Harrap's general FREN dictionary, but I do find their slang dictionary to be pretty good and up to date. I don't know how it fares against any of the other big-name slang dictionaries though.

FWIW, I use the CD-ROM version of Le Grand Robert & Collins for my daily searches and I'm very much pleased with it. It's definitely one of the best dictionary acquisitions I've made.


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LegalTransform  Identity Verified
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Dico d'argot Jun 15, 2013

The book David mentioned is excellent.

There is also this one available on-line:
http://ebookbrowse.com/le-dictionnaire-de-la-zone-rev-1-2-0-pdf-d93513725


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Sheila Wilson  Identity Verified
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Book by a relation of someone here Jun 16, 2013

I remember that that's how I found Dictionnaire Bilingue de l'Argot d'Aujourd'hui / Bilingual Dictionary of Today's Slang, by François Brunet and Declan McCavana. ISBN 978-2-266-13973-1 for the 5th edition. It's published in the Langues Pour Tous range of books by Pocket. It hasn't had everything I've looked for, but a good proportion. Some terms show example sentences and these can be very useful for getting the feel of the slang usage. It certainly doesn't pull any punches - all the **** words are there!

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Faustine Roux  Identity Verified
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thank you Jun 16, 2013

Thank you all for your recommendations

I've already ordered a good selection of the books some of you recommended, but will definitely bookmark this thread in case I need to complete my collection !

Please, feel free to carry on discussing it, it's always good to have a nice fat reading list!

Thanks again and happy translating!


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Nikki Scott-Despaigne  Identity Verified
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Ordinary slang and current slang Jun 16, 2013

There are levels of slang of course, the familiar colloquial stuff right through to the hard crude stuff. Many shades of grey, dare I say. (Not read that either, and don't intend to!).
However, once you're familiar with the standards, you may well "outgrow" any dictionary. You can keep up by varying the type of document you read. The French generally use much more slang than the English in everyday contexts for ordinary objects : car, cigarette, girl, boy, to put, etc, not to mention the expressions of mood and emotion. On many occasions, a translation would be an error as in English, a slang expression might not be used.
Good luck with finding out and keeping up!


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xxxAnita R
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Dictionnaire de synonymes Jun 20, 2013

Bonjour,

pour un dictionnaire "mot normal -> mot d'argot", je recommande un bon dictionnaire de synonymes, tel que le Dictionnaire de synonymes et mots de sens voisin (Gallimard) comme point de départ.

Autrement, pour affronter l'oralité fleurie, je ne regrette pas d'avoir acheté les deux dictionnaires : "C'est comme les cheveux d'Éléonore - Expressions du français quotidien" et "On va le dire comme ça - Dictionnaire des expressions quotidiennes" de Charles Bernet et Pierre Rézeau, qui rassemblent autour de mots génériques toutes sortes d'expressions des plus drôles aux plus croustillantes.

Je ne me lasse pas, d'ailleurs, de les feuilleter!


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