Java updates
Thread poster: Niraja Nanjundan
Niraja Nanjundan  Identity Verified
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Oct 19, 2008

I always get a message that Java updates are available, both on my PC and laptop. Is it necessary to download these updates? I have SDL Trados 2007, and was wondering if it had anything to do with that. Does one need the Java updates to continue using CAT tools?

I searched the forums to see if this has already been discussed, and although I find Java mentioned in some threads, there has been no real discussion on this topic, which is why I'm posting about it again.

Thanks in advance for any comments.


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Anil Gidwani  Identity Verified
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No relation to CAT tools Oct 19, 2008

CAT Tools do not use Java, as far as I know. Java is a programming framework largely used by Internet applications. For example, many forms you fill out on the Web are programmed using Javascript, a component of the Java programming environment.

Since Java was developed and is maintained by Sun Microsystems and is used by various Web-based applications that may reside on the computer (if not the Windows OS itself), I would feel completely comfortable in downloading and installing Java updates. It is highly recommended, as a matter of fact.

One needs to have anti-virus software enabled, of course, as is true of all downloads, even official downloads from Microsoft.


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esperantisto  Identity Verified
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Sorry, wrong points. Oct 19, 2008

Anil Gidwani wrote:

CAT Tools do not use Java, as far as I know.


OmegaT is a Java program, meaning that it is written in Java and can only run with JRE installed.

As for Trados, it's known to require Java for work of filters for certain file formats, such as InDesign, and MultiTerm requires it as well, but may require a particular version of it. For example, MultiTerm 7 requires strictly JRE 1.4.2_08.

Newer versions of Java have various improvements and fixes, but, unless you use Java programs, I would not recommend updating your JRE.

Java is a programming framework largely used by Internet applications. For example, many forms you fill out on the Web are programmed using Javascript, a component of the Java programming environment.


Javascript is a totally different thing, absolutely unrelated to Java.

[Edited at 2008-10-19 13:32]


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If that were so...? Oct 19, 2008

Anil Gidwani wrote:
CAT Tools do not use Java, as far as I know.


If that were so, then why does Trados install Java when it installs itself? And don't forget OmegaT, the new unreleased version of Wordfast, and a whole host of other CAT tools that can't work without Java.

For example, many forms you fill out on the Web are programmed using Javascript, a component of the Java programming environment.


I'm under the impression that JavaScript and Java have only four things in common... four letters, and nothing else.

One needs to have anti-virus software enabled, of course, as is true of all downloads, even official downloads from Microsoft.


I disagree. If an official download contains a virus, and the official site does not detect it, then no home-based anti-virus program is going to detect it.


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I'm under the impression Oct 19, 2008

esperantisto wrote:
Newer versions of Java have various improvements and fixes, but, unless you use Java programs, I would not recommend updating your JRE.


I always update my Java to the latest version. But I'm under the impression that two versions of it can happily live together on the same computer. Correct me if I'm wrong.


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Anil Gidwani  Identity Verified
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I did not know that Oct 20, 2008

esperantisto wrote:

Javascript is a totally different thing, absolutely unrelated to Java.


As the American legend Johnny Carson would say, I did not know that.

You are right, Java was developed by Sun Microsystems, and Javascript by Netscape (Mozilla/Thunderbird). Both are object-oriented systems, though. And working together, which is usually the case and the cause of the confusion, they form a powerful combination.


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Anil Gidwani  Identity Verified
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Hmmm..... Oct 20, 2008

Samuel Murray wrote:

I'm under the impression that JavaScript and Java have only four things in common... four letters, and nothing else.



They are both object-oriented, one being a programming language, the other a full-fledged programming environment.

That's a pretty sweeping statement to make, eh, isn't it, Samuel? After all, everything under the sun has something in common. Existence!


If an official download contains a virus, and the official site does not detect it, then no home-based anti-virus program is going to detect it.


No relation between official downloads and being virus-free, for sure. I wouldn't trust an official Microsoft update to be virus free.... Would you?


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You're right Oct 20, 2008

Samuel Murray wrote:
But I'm under the impression that two versions of it can happily live together on the same computer.


You can have a bunch of JREs installed on your machine. The matter, however, is which will be the default. Normally, the JRE that is the last installed grabs the default status. Which means, that if you have MultiTerm 7 requiring strictly JRE 1.4.2_08 and update to the latest Java 6, you may have trouble.


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