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The simple agencies give you work
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guest1234  Identity Verified
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Feb 16, 2011

I'm a member since 2 months.

The first 15 days I sent only a cover letter to agencies and I got no reply at all.

After this I made an updated CV, and I sent it to many agencies and end clients every day, with a cover letter. I got 4 positive replies from 4 agencies. That must 0.01% positive results for the effort of sending emails and completing forms. These 4 agencies tested my skills with 1 or 2 short translations and will give me a reply in a few weeks (they actually promised to give a reply with a deadline, they did not ignore me)

I noticed that the 4 positive replies I got were from agencies with a very simple contact method : "send your cv to email address". Then the project manager contacted me and asked for more details like my bank account number, and sometimes to sign a non-disclosure agreement. That's good.

I'm trying to avoid wasting my time. I noticed that I got no reply from the complicated agencies that ask to fill a long form on their website even before sending the resume. I think they do this for this exact purpose: to discourage candidates, because they are actually not really hiring at the moment.

I will no longer contact complicated agencies. These forms took a lot of my time (50% of the marketing effort!!). I will now employ this time to perfect myself for simple efficient agencies.

I will also recheck each website often, because a company can modify its strategies anytime.


PS : Did you get hired by complicated agencies? (don't give names thanks...)


[Edited at 2011-02-16 18:08 GMT]


 

Kuochoe Nikoi  Identity Verified
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To clarify Feb 16, 2011

You were contacted by PMs from certain agencies and asked to sign NDAs, but did you actually get any work from them or not? That's the important part.

 

Daria Bontch-Osmolovskaia
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hmmm.... Feb 17, 2011

Thinking about it, I think I got work from only one "complicated agency" in 3 years, and that was only because I applied for a particular project and got the job.

I don't bother filling out online forms either any more, it's just a way for the agencies to pad their database without spending any money or effort on inputting your information. If PMs or clients want me, they always contact me directly.


 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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Thanks Feb 17, 2011

Yes it's a repenting complicated agency, trying to reach the freelancers again with job posts

 

Heinrich Pesch  Identity Verified
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True Feb 17, 2011

My own experience from 10 years of freelancing confirm this. If you are only in the database and not in the PM's mind you hardly get contacted. PMs usually will have a shortlist of contacts of freelancers they trust and know, and if they have to find someone from the database it is unlikely that they will hit on you.

Personal contact is important. Also would I prefer specialised agencies over those that promise to handle 150 languages and hundreds of special fields. Who believes them I wonder?


 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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Thanks Feb 17, 2011

And if the PM gets replaced, there is a chance that they won't know me anymore because the replaced PM did not give their contacts (skype list, phone numbers, emails) to the new PM. I would give my contact details again and be kind to the new PM, because it's hard to inherit business relationships. (The old PM is not dead, it's just an image)

@TransAfrique: Not yet. But it's too soon, as they need to check my work first. The last test I did was just 3 days ago. I'll get most replies in March.



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Tomás Cano Binder, BA, CT  Identity Verified
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Forms are pretty useless Feb 17, 2011

Indeed, my experience says that filling forms and more forms is pretty useless, since you end up in a crowdy database nobody has the time to research, and very very rarely get contacted that way.

Project managers and resource managers of reasonable agencies (yes, exactly those who do have real work at acceptable rates and with credible deadlines) are proactive in their searches and find their translators in portals like Proz.com and other sources. They are the interesting customers, so the best time investment we can make is to get better training, get certified by recognised bodies and keep an attractive, clear presence in portals and the web.


 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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Thanks Feb 17, 2011

I'm going to send you my CV now.

To be at the top of Proz, I'll need some more years of dedicated work.

And for the unreasonable deadlines part, I've just remembered that I've been contacted by the complicated databases for Very_Interesting_Projects but they will Expire_In_3_Hours_if_I_don't_click. That must be why I forgot to click!

I will contact the complicated agencies too through their email address. I just won't fill their form anymore. Because a website is made by a webmaster and manipulated by humans who can do errors, and it is not the company itself. I won't miss a good opportunity because of a bad website.

Once I got contacted by phone for an interview by a resource manager. I looked up their physical address on their website and it was an old address. I ended up going to the wrong city for the interview. That's because the resource manager was so used to the website that they did not check the contact page ever. A web page is just a file.

PS: It was very scary, because it was raining, and I could not hear anything on the phone. Imagine someone gave you an appointment and you end up in a strange residential area and no one understands why you are speaking about an interview or knows the name of your interviewer or company. It was like a trap in a dark alley!

[Edited at 2011-02-17 11:10 GMT]


 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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My first projects Mar 5, 2011

Hi

Here are the results in March: the 6 agencies I did tests for haven't decided to give me projects yet.

I contacted an end client that I found on Proz last week. I did a small test, and the client was impressed. That end client gave me projects and POs.

I'm currently working on 2 projects for Monday

I will be paid via PayPal, and I will have to make one of my relatives in Europe or America accept the money for me on his working account then wire transfer the money to me, as I cannot use PayPal where I live. That's not a big problem.

[Edited at 2011-03-05 06:17 GMT]


 

Laurent KRAULAND  Identity Verified
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Great - and you are right Mar 5, 2011

Avinash Mayaram wrote:
(.../...)
I contacted an end client that I found on Proz last week. I did a small test, and the client was impressed. That end client gave me projects and POs.

I'm currently working on 2 projects for Monday

(.../...)


Great and good for you, Avinash!

And yes, you are right: I am still waiting to get any kind of assignment from the complicated agencies that contacted me.

I even challenged one (the last I was in touch with) about possible ambiguities in their purchasing terms. I am still waiting for some clarificationsicon_wink.gif.


 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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Thanks Laurent Mar 5, 2011

Always good to hear your words

 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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My final decision Mar 9, 2011

Hi, I wish you have a nice day and a nice life.

I have decided to accept wire transfers only forever.

Payments via Paypal, moneybookers, moneygram, 2co, credit card. BAD MOJO (for me) icon_biggrin.gif

I will now play some video games and look for wire transfer clients and increase my translation QUALITY. GOOD icon_biggrin.gif I do your work, you pay me in my bank account YOU SAVVY icon_biggrin.gif

Here is an article from a freelance website that convinced me (as well as the many hours spent researching this on hundreds of websites):

"
I since see the client has actually published his website, including the artwork he claimed he wasn’t happy with and fraudulently claimed to his credit card company that he didn’t receive.

This should not have happened. I was only paid after I had worked diligently to ensure the client approved, then to come back 6 weeks later and initiate a charge back and win is something I’m still coming to terms with. I never knew this could even happen and if I had, I would never have accepted payment via credit card. I thought I was protected by using PayPal. Now I’m in the situation where he’s using the artwork created by me, which he hasn’t paid for and as he’s in a different country it adds a whole level of legal complexity and I’m not sure where to begin. I’ve contacted the Australian Copyright Council for advice and I’ll see what progresses out of that.

I’m sure that there are freelancers out there accepting payments via PayPal unaware that they are not covered and that this can absolutely happen to them if a client disputes a transaction.
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Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Wrong conclusion Mar 9, 2011

Avinash Mayaram wrote:
I have decided to accept wire transfers only forever. Payments via Paypal, moneybookers, moneygram, 2co, credit card. BAD MOJO (for me).

Here is an article from a freelance website that convinced me:
I was only paid after I had worked diligently to ensure the client approved, then to come back 6 weeks later and initiate a charge back and win is something I’m still coming to terms with. I never knew this could even happen and if I had, I would never have accepted payment via credit card. I thought I was protected by using PayPal.


The issue in the article you quote from relates accepting credit card payments via PayPal. PayPal does not protect you against charge-backs if payment was made by credit card.

The client can only do a charge-back if he had paid by credit card. This has nothing to do with the reliability of PayPal itself, or with the reliability of Moneybookers, etc.


 

Samuel Murray  Identity Verified
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Complicated forms are good for you Mar 9, 2011

Avinash Mayaram wrote:
I will no longer contact complicated agencies. These forms took a lot of my time (50% of the marketing effort!!). I will now employ this time to perfect myself for simple efficient agencies.


The advantage of filling in complicated forms is that it helps you to create useful marketing information about yourself.

Did you save the informtion that you wrote in those forms? You should write the information in a file somewhere so that you can just copy/paste it whenever you want to fill in another complicated form.

If you have a web site, upload the file to your web site so that you can download it quickly whenever you need to fill in a form, so that you have all the information at your fingertips to copy/paste into the form.

Also, different forms require slightly different types of information, so filling in these forms helps you to clear your mind and write good portfolio-related material about yourself, which you can later use without having to re-think it.

Later, when a client asks for certain information in an e-mail, you can copy/paste it from that file, which actually saves time, because you never know whether the person asking for the information will eventually give you work.


 

guest1234  Identity Verified
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Thanks Samuel Mar 9, 2011

Hey nice to see it worked for some people.

I made some templates based on the questions I got from clients.

I would like a website. I will build one with a free domain name. I don't want to invest in domain name and ftp space.


 
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