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Announcing migration to Unicode
Thread poster: Andrew Wright

Andrew Wright
United States
Local time: 18:57
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Feb 6, 2006

Hello forum goers,

I've recently converted this forum to using Unciode as the default character set. There is no need to change your browser's default encoding, it should recognize the page's character set automatically.

You will, however, notice that older posts may not currently be legible. If you view these posts you will see a link reading "Is the text in this post garbled? Click here", or an icon of a speech bubble containing a question mark. Clicking either of these will bring you to a dailgue that will ask you a few questions to determine how to convert that post into Unicode.

For more information on Unicode, see the recently revised Character Set and Localization FAQ:

http://www.proz.com/faq/localization


For more information on the conversion tool see the about page:

http://www.proz.com/?sp=charset_issues


If there is anything else that is not fully explained, please let me know.

Andrew Wright
Site Staff


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Andrew Wright
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Update Feb 7, 2006

Hello again,

I have just put into production a system in this forum that attempts to convert all the non-Unicode forum posts into Unicode. It looks alright, but I don't actually speak any Greek so I can't tell if all the posts and topics are legible. Let me know immediately if I totally messed anything up.

Assuming I didn't bungle anything here, most posts should be ok. Any posts that were made in a non-standard encoding will probably not be detected correctly and will look garbled. The converting tool will still work on these, so you can still fix any incorrect posts.

Hopefully this works out, but just in case I will be checking in a few times later tonight.

Andrew Wright


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Calliope Sofianopoulos  Identity Verified
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Everything looks ok Feb 7, 2006

Andrew Wright wrote:

It looks alright, but I don't actually speak any Greek so I can't tell if all the posts and topics are legible. Let me know immediately if I totally messed anything up.

Assuming I didn't bungle anything here, most posts should be ok.

Andrew Wright


It seems ok in the posts I checked.

Thanks.


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Maria Karra  Identity Verified
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τεστ Feb 8, 2006

test editing
τεστάκι
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[Edited at 2006-02-08 00:42]


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Maria Karra  Identity Verified
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one small issue Feb 8, 2006

Andrew, when I try to Edit the title in someone else's post, the text is garbled (all question marks). I can edit my own posts though.
Maria


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Nadia-Anastasia Fahmi  Identity Verified
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Seems OK to me Feb 8, 2006

At least from this end

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Andrew Wright
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Addition to the system Feb 9, 2006

Hello again,

Just now I've added a new feature to the system to the migration system.

At the moment what is happening in this forum is that old data is being pulled from the database but converted to unicode before it is sent to your browser for display. This is nice, because most older posts remain visible. However, the down side to this approach is that old data remains in non-unicode format in the database which means that it will not match a search if the search is done in unicode.

So we needed a way to tell the system that the posts that are automatically converted correctly are legible. But we also didn't want to make this process tedious for whoever was doing it.

So today I've added a link that goes next to the "Is this text garbled?" link that reads "Is the text in this post legible?". Clicking this link will use Javascript to let the conversion system that the automatic conversion was correct, but thanks to the Javascript the user won't actually have to leave the page they are viewing to do it.

If clicking on the link generates any errors on the page, please copy the error and post it in this topic or email it directly to me.

Thanks,
Andrew Wright


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Maria Nicholas  Identity Verified
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Everything is garbled! Feb 12, 2006

I'm sorry but everything is garbled, and I don't see any links under the posts to fix it ...

Disappointed,
Maria


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Nadia-Anastasia Fahmi  Identity Verified
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TESTING GREEK Feb 13, 2006

Καλημέρα σε όλους, για να δούμε αν διαβάζεται

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Andrew Wright
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Need some info Feb 14, 2006

Maria Nicholas wrote:

I'm sorry but everything is garbled, and I don't see any links under the posts to fix it ...

Disappointed,
Maria


Maria,

What browser and operating system are you using?

Andrew Wright


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Maria Nicholas  Identity Verified
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Platform/OS Feb 15, 2006

Hi Andrew,

I'm on a Mac running OS 10.4.4, using Safari and/or Firefox. I have the Greek keyboard layout installed, and Unicode fonts. I have been using the same system for years and have never had a problem in any application.

Why is Proz making this change now if things were fine before? It seems a bit of an unnecessary inconvenience ...

Thanks a lot for your help,
Maria


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Maria Karra  Identity Verified
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To Maria: why the change Feb 15, 2006

Maria Nicholas wrote:
Why is Proz making this change now if things were fine before? It seems a bit of an unnecessary inconvenience ...


Hi Maria,
Things weren't fine before. One example I can think of is the French-Greek KudoZ pair: by switching to Unicode we'll be able to see that part of the question that's written in French as well as that in Greek. Currently we switch to Greek encoding (manually, i.e. from our browser's View menu) to see the Greek part, and to Western to see the French part. It's quite annoying.
It's probably easier to users to have everything in one encoding, including KudoZ and Forums (less switching back and forth between encodings, consistency among proz pages).
There may be additional reasons that I'm not aware of.
Maria


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Andrew Wright
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Double check it is using the right character set Feb 15, 2006

Maria Nicholas wrote:

Hi Andrew,

I'm on a Mac running OS 10.4.4, using Safari and/or Firefox. I have the Greek keyboard layout installed, and Unicode fonts. I have been using the same system for years and have never had a problem in any application.

Why is Proz making this change now if things were fine before? It seems a bit of an unnecessary inconvenience ...

Thanks a lot for your help,
Maria


Thanks for the info Maria,

Can you double check that your browsers are correctly reading the character set specified in the HTML headers? I don't have a Mac to test this on or I would test it myself.

Andrew Wright


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Maria Nicholas  Identity Verified
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I didn't have to switch endoging Feb 17, 2006

Hi, sorry, I haven't been able to get on to Proz too often this past week, but for what it's worth, I saw Western characters just fine with Greek encoding applied. I don't know about problems in other language combos. I can only share with you what I see in the GreekEnglish combo. All of the posts here look like jibberish, unfortunately, whether there is Western or Greek encoding applied.

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Maria Nicholas  Identity Verified
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Ένα τεστ Feb 17, 2006

Προσπαθώ να διαπιστώσω εάν μπορώ να γράψω με Ελληνικούς χαρακτήρες ...

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