Hello from Turkiye ! :)
Thread poster: Nazli B
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Jan 17, 2007

Hi Hungarian friends!

I joined this site today and I was just surfing through the non-english boards, I thought it would be cool to leave a 'hello' message to you guys.

A question though : What does 'Csaba' mean? Is that a name, I have a Hungarian friend who has two names and one of them is Csaba.Any help would be appreciated.

Talk 2 u's soon


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Macar forumu hoş geldin Jan 17, 2007

Merhaba Nezli,

Welcome on board! I can see you started off your first day on Proz.com rather actively.

My name is also "Csaba" as you can see. The most likely explanation is that the name comes from a Turkic word "Çoban", which supposed to mean "shepherd". Hungarian "cs" is pronounced the same way as Turkish "Ç".

In popular Hungarian mythology, Csaba is the son of Attila, the leader of the Huns. Although the Huns and the Hungarian are not related, it's a popular myth both in and outside Hungary that they are. The idea of Hun kinship appeared in Hungary in the 12th century, while searching in history for noble and fierce warrier forefathers. The Huns came in handy as they also arrived from the East, just like Hungarians, and the Latin names were also similar.

By the way, the name "Hungarian", "Ungarn", "Vengrija", "Hungarus", etc. all come from the same root: "on + ogur", meaning "ten arrows" in one of the Turkic languages (Chuvash?).
"arrow" by extension refers to a tribe, and in fact, ancient Magyars consisted of seven tribes, but some time in the 8th or 9th century, three Kabar tribes joined them who were already fed up Khazar overlordship.

A funny story happened to me when I was in Turkey for the first time, in 1993. Somewhere in the remote parts of Ihlara valley in Cappadocia, there was this small restaurant. The ten year old son of the owner asked me, in very good English, what my name was, where I came from, etc. When I told him my name, this boy got so much excited, because his name was Atilla, and he knew the whole story with the Huns, etc. I was truly impressed.

All the best,
Csaba


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Çoban :) Jan 17, 2007

Csaba! Oh my God so Çoban is what that actually means!! You're right, even when pronounced rapidly the word gives you that sound.Sooo amazing.
Thanks a lot for the informative message!
Now thanks to you I know more about the Turkish Huns and the Hungarians.In Turkey majority of the sources state that the Hungarians in question are coming from the Turkish Huns but I have heard from Hungarian friends that the written history sources differ in Hungary.
Have you seen this website: www.hunmagyar.org
It has interesting articles.

Although they are probably not coming from Turkish descendence (it's quite possible all the populations all over the world were deffinitely mixed somehow) as a person eager to believe in a globalised world, I tend to believe that some mixing occured back then and that there are probably some people in Hungary with Turkic origins but perhaps they're not aware of it yet.

Like for instance, I have learnt I had Georgian origins just a couple of years ago and I was so surprised.The world is such a small place, really.

Back to the names issue, a small anecdote for you; I also had a friend called 'Attila' in Brussels so many years ago and when we first met I thought he was Turkish so I kept telling him things in Turkish, at the end of 5 minutes of my bla bla bla, he responded as 'I don't understand a word you're saying'...So that was the day I learnt there were people living in this world who had Turkish names but who were not Turkish at all

I wanted to take some Hungarian courses at the University of Ankara, Language History and Geography Faculty last year, but as I'm working full time in a pharmaceutical company as a Foreign Trade Specialist, it was almost impossible for me to attend the courses.And in private language institutes like Tomer there are no Hungarian language courses.I contacted your Embassy as well but then again, no success

Anyway it was great meeting you Csaba...Feel free to share Turco-Hungarian words like 'Csaba' you may recall from time to time, it's a pleasure to discover such similarities.

Thanks a lot, talk to you soon


N.B:

Re: 'On ogur'; Çuvaş should be correct and it's similar in Anatolian Turkish which is 'On ok'.The final two lettes 'ur' were probably ommitted.Think about it, all that way from Central Asia to Anatolia, the guys were probably too tired to pronounce all 4 letters so they decided to shorten it LOL So when they came and settled to Anatolia the word became 'ok'...I was interested in Turkish dialects a few years ago, I still am though but the most difficult dialect for an Anatolian Turc to cope with is probably the Uighur dialect in East-Turkestan (now part of China).Those guys are speaking a different Turkish compared to us and the Azeri, Türkmen etc (but still understandable of course)

[Edited at 2007-01-17 21:57]


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Macaristana gel Jan 17, 2007

There is no better excuse to visit Hungary than Proz.com's next international conference at the end of April:

www.proz.com/conference/10

Csaba


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Türkçe'n harika ! Jan 17, 2007

Awww great organization!
I hope I can have a few days off from the work.


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