Is it possible to split the Kudoz between more than one answer?
Thread poster: Edward Moreira

Edward Moreira
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Jun 24, 2009

Hi!
I was wondering if somebody could explain the Kudoz grading system. I have been just giving four points to the selected answer. However, sometimes some people really contribute even if it's not the selected answer and seems fair to give them points. Other time I end up resolving the term with contributions from more than one answer, etc. So how does the grading system really work?
Cheers
Ed

[Edited at 2009-06-25 13:40 GMT]


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Andrea Flaßbeck  Identity Verified
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Read the rules :-) Jun 25, 2009

Hi Edward,

no, you can't split points.

Andrea

http://www.proz.com/kudozrules

Addition:
No offence meant Ladies & Gentlemen

2.16 - Can I award points to more than one answer? [Direct link]

No, you may only select one "most helpful" answer. Dividing points among answerers has been considered previously, but discarded based on the relatively little benefit which would be gained, and the difficulty of implementing administration of points and such problems as dividing four points among three answers. A useful guideline for cases where you cannot decide on an answer is to choose the one which helped you most. In the case of two or more equally helpful answers, you may choose the first (things tend to even out for answerers over time.)

Cheers,
Andrea

[Edited at 2009-06-25 13:17 GMT]


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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It is not always easy to choose one answer as the best Jun 25, 2009

... but the points can only go to one.

Usually there is one that is clearly most helpful. If there are two almost identical answers, it is suggested that you give points to the first.

I always add a general note to thank the others, and you can add individual ones to each answer if you have time and want to add a comment. These must be linguistic and not personal, however. "Thanks, I liked your answer too" is OK, but anything like "You always have good ideas" is getting risky! Keep the focus on the answer, not the person.

People who participate in KudoZ know that is how it works, and while some are fiercely interested in points, many are not really worried. It is a challenge, and a chance to learn something new, which is more important than points.

Best of luck!


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Edward Moreira
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good to know Jun 25, 2009

Thank you very much for your posts. I scanned through the Kudoz FAQ and I didn't see the answer I was looking for. Now it's all clear!
Cheers
Ed


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chica nueva
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KudoZ Rules: No '2.16', why is that? Jun 29, 2009

Andrea Flaßbeck wrote:

2.16 - Can I award points to more than one answer? [Direct link]



@ site staff/peers
You know, for some reason I just do not have a 2.16. My list goes from 2.1 to 2.10. Am I doing something wrong?
Lesley


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Enrique Cavalitto  Identity Verified
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Is is not a rule but a KudoZ FAQ Jun 29, 2009

lai an wrote:

Andrea Flaßbeck wrote:

2.16 - Can I award points to more than one answer? [Direct link]



@ site staff/peers
You know, for some reason I just do not have a 2.16. My list goes from 2.1 to 2.10. Am I doing something wrong?
Lesley


Is is not a rule but the KudoZ FAQ 2.16 - http://www.proz.com/faq/2869#2869

Regards,
Enrique


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Alessandra Russo  Identity Verified
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Points Jul 8, 2009


2.16 - Can I award points to more than one answer? [Direct link]

No, you may only select one "most helpful" answer. Dividing points among answerers has been considered previously, but discarded based on the relatively little benefit which would be gained, and the difficulty of implementing administration of points and such problems as dividing four points among three answers. A useful guideline for cases where you cannot decide on an answer is to choose the one which helped you most. In the case of two or more equally helpful answers, you may choose the first (things tend to even out for answerers over time.)


I think that it could be really useful for the asker to have the possibility to award points to whoever deserves them.

Instead of selecting the most helpful answer, an asker could just give up to four points to all the users who answered the question: 0 (not helpful), 1 (slightly helpful) ... 4 (most helpful).

It may well be that there was one and only one good answer, but sometime it happens that there are several good answers and the asker uses them all to find the proper solution. It would be good if s/he could give 4 points to the most helpful and maybe 1 to a less helpful answerer which has helped s/he to pick the word s/he was looking for.

Sometimes it also happens that 2-3 users suggest the same answer at the same time (i.e. today it happened for an English > Italian question) and the asker doesn't know how to choose the "most helpful" answer. Then, it would be indeed useful to award a few points to all those who actually helped.


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Jon Fedler
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same answer, same time Oct 14, 2009

Regarding Alessandro's point about people sending the same- or very similar answer: this can be conveniently solved if it turns out in retrospect that the word translated (a German term in this case) was not that complex after all. In such cases I just award1/2 points and no glossary entry.
H
owever, I would have preferred to have split points, however low. Surely regarding this one aspect Proz could be more flexible?

Jon Fedler

[Edited at 2009-10-14 17:23 GMT]


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Alexandra Goldburt
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Agree with Alessandra Oct 14, 2009

Alessandra Russo wrote:

I think that it could be really useful for the asker to have the possibility to award points to whoever deserves them.

Instead of selecting the most helpful answer, an asker could just give up to four points to all the users who answered the question: 0 (not helpful), 1 (slightly helpful) ... 4 (most helpful).

It may well be that there was one and only one good answer, but sometime it happens that there are several good answers and the asker uses them all to find the proper solution. It would be good if s/he could give 4 points to the most helpful and maybe 1 to a less helpful answerer which has helped s/he to pick the word s/he was looking for.

Sometimes it also happens that 2-3 users suggest the same answer at the same time (i.e. today it happened for an English > Italian question) and the asker doesn't know how to choose the "most helpful" answer. Then, it would be indeed useful to award a few points to all those who actually helped.


It has been suggested before and will probably be suggested again and again in the future. In fact, I have expressed a very similar opinion myself not once, but twice (the second time in Russian-language forum). Not everybody agreed, but quite a number of people supported me.

I'm convinced that there can be a situation where not one, but two, three or even more answers are equally helpful. And it is my opinion that this situation happens rather frequently. So I fully support Alessandra's proposal.


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Yaotl Altan  Identity Verified
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Support Oct 14, 2009

Edward, this is not hte first time a Proz user proposes that. I support your idea. Indeed, the constant pop-up of this proposal shows us, again, the need to implement it.

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Kim Metzger  Identity Verified
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Reliability ratio Oct 15, 2009

Jonathan Fedler wrote:

Regarding Alessandro's point about people sending the same- or very similar answer: this can be conveniently solved if it turns out in retrospect that the word translated (a German term in this case) was not that complex after all. In such cases I just award1/2 points and no glossary entry.



Yes, Jonathan, and every time you decide in retrospect that one of your questions was "not that complex after all" and award one point, you have lowered the answerer's reliability ratio. He or she will be reluctant to answer any of your questions in the future.


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delveneto
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Partially agreed Oct 30, 2009

I also think that points should be allowed to be given to more than one answer BUT my opinion is that each question would be worth 4 points and no more. So, if you want to split 2 and 2 to 2 answers, fine, but being able to award 4 points to more than one answer would be unfair, given that the level of "education" about how KudoZ works varies too much among askers. You could have a question that had distributed 40 points away while most would distribute 4.

So: splitting points would be great but each question should be worth 4 points, no more.


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Oliver Walter  Identity Verified
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Lateral thinking Apr 8, 2010

Here's an idea: Several people point out that it's difficult to share 4 points among several answerers. The following occurs to me:
not four (4) but twelve (12) points should be available, for the asker to share how s/he likes among the contributors. Why 12? because it's the smallest number that can be equally shared among useful numbers of people: 12 can be shared equally among 1, 2, 3, 4 or 6 people.
Since 12 is 3 times the existing 4, changing to 12 would need
  • multiply everybody's existing KudoZ points by 3
  • everywhere where KudoZ points are awarded or deducted, multiply those numbers by 3 also.
That's my "lateral thinking" contribution to this discussion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking

Oliver


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