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Bogus kudoz players with no references
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Anayansi  Identity Verified
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Jan 20, 2004

I posted a kudoz today and had two replies, one was from someone signed 'whoever', it caught my attention so I decided to check out his/her references...his/her page had none whatsoever. This players waste our time and harm the real translators who want to play fair! Can't they be screened?

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Parrot  Identity Verified
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They are "screened" Jan 20, 2004

by the verified identity checkmark, but not screened from asking or answering. They also have restricted forum rights.

Due to the nature of the terms help section, it was not considered necessary to screen any further.


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Anayansi  Identity Verified
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When is it considered necessary to screen kudoz players? Jan 20, 2004

Parrot wrote:

...Due to the nature of the terms help section, it was not considered necessary to screen any further.


I thought all kudoz were considered relevant and worth answering...or am I wrong and only certain kudoz are taken care of with due diligence?


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Claudia Iglesias  Identity Verified
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Sorry, you're talking about a member Jan 20, 2004

I'm not sure whether Parrot realised that you were talking about a regular member who chose that name and who has all the rights to ask and answer.

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Anayansi  Identity Verified
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Members with no references on screen Jan 20, 2004

Claudia Iglesias wrote:

I'm not sure whether Parrot realised that you were talking about a regular member who chose that name and who has all the rights to ask and answer.


...of course all members have the right to ask questions or/and answer...but what about their references that should come out on their profile screen when one wants to see who one is dealing with? if you go to the profile of 'whoever', no references that could give you an idea of his/her profile come out.

[Edited at 2004-01-20 21:12]


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Claudia Iglesias  Identity Verified
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It's an empty profile Jan 20, 2004

and the owners of empty profiles should know how it can be perceived by others.
But it's not forbidden.

Those who have empty profiles should know that it's not good for their KudoZ (you looked at the profile in order to see who was the answerer), and I imagine that for jobs it's much worse.

Kudoz answers, if wrong, deserve disagrees, wherever they come from.


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Anayansi  Identity Verified
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Free advice harms no one Jan 20, 2004

Claudia Iglesias wrote:

...Those who have empty profiles should know that it's not good for their KudoZ (you looked at the profile in order to see who was the answerer), and I imagine that for jobs it's much worse.

Kudoz answers, if wrong, deserve disagrees, wherever they come from.


...a healthy piece of advice then, for all proz members, would be to fill out their profiles completely for their own good, workwise speaking, even if one can participate in Kudoz with empty profiles and even if this does not seem to tarnish the Proz Net rep in carrying out the due diligence.


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Ralf Lemster  Identity Verified
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That advice is already given Jan 20, 2004

Hi Anayansi,


...a healthy piece of advice then, for all proz members, would be to fill out their profiles completely for their own good, workwise speaking, even if one can participate in Kudoz with empty profiles and even if this does not seem to tarnish the Proz Net rep in carrying out the due diligence.

Members whose profile is incomplete are shown a remark to this effect, with pointers as to which information is missing. Given that there may be legitimate reasons for not showing certain details, the site does not enforce their entry for KudoZ (note that job posters must supply certain details).

Best regards, Ralf


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Hilary Davies Shelby
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Use with caution Jan 20, 2004

Hiya,
I just wanted to say that anyone can answer KudoZ, just as anyone can create a Proz profile or set themselves up as a translator, without any qualifications or experience whatsoever. While most people I see in KudoZ are very helpful and really know their stuff, I have seen many, many answers where the answerer really doesn't have a clue, or has just got completely the wrong end of the stick. It's a wonderful tool, but definitely one to be used with caution. If you can check the answers you are given on KudoZ with another source, it usually pays to do so.

Hilary.


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Parrot  Identity Verified
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How to read KudoZ icons - a question of levels Jan 20, 2004

When someone answers your question and you see a name, no matter how real it sounds, remember that you are on line and it may only be a purported name.

When you see a checkmark beside that name, it means that person is real and - what's more - is known to, and has been met in person by, the person who verified that identity (this may be seen by clicking on the checkmark). Persons verified by "ProZ.com Staff" are those who have paid for some service, such as Platinum membership or CAT tools, using credit cards that corresponded to the name used on-site.

>N - means that the person answering your question has declared himself a native in the target language.

N (with an arrow pointing to the left; this does not appear in HTML and makes the rest of the posting disappear) - means that the person answering your question has declared himself a native in the source language.

A yellow "N" means that this declaration is known to be true.

These are your relevant KudoZ filters.

Some of the persons who keep empty profiles work in sensitive places that prohibit their employees/functionaries from any advertising. Others simply may have nothing to say and nothing to display. Apart from the fact that we personally know some, we cannot tell the difference for the rest.

Hope you understand this.



[Edited at 2004-01-21 01:21]


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xxxCMJ_Trans
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empty profile from choice Jan 21, 2004

At the moment my profile is empty. The reason is that I am not particularly looking for work and do not want to attract business away from those who are. If my situation changes and I want to market myself and my services, I will adapt accordingly. In the meantime I hope that I can keep on answering questions when I think I have something to contribute. Indeed, one of the reasons I answer questions is that I like to ask them sometimes and think it only fair to give something in return.
I suspect I am not the only person in this situation !


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Anayansi  Identity Verified
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Thank you all for your kind explanations Jan 21, 2004

CMJ_Trans wrote:

At the moment my profile is empty. The reason is that I am not particularly looking for work and do not want to attract business away from those who are...one of the reasons I answer questions is that I like to ask them sometimes and think it only fair to give something in return.
I suspect I am not the only person in this situation !


...it's good to know there's so many translators worried about the good rep of the Proz.com net and its members...I'll try to remember all of the info given by you all on this forum, grazie ancora!


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Andy Watkinson
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Exactly Jan 21, 2004

CMJ_Trans wrote:

At the moment my profile is empty. The reason is that I am not particularly looking for work and do not want to attract business away from those who are. If my situation changes and I want to market myself and my services, I will adapt accordingly. In the meantime I hope that I can keep on answering questions when I think I have something to contribute. Indeed, one of the reasons I answer questions is that I like to ask them sometimes and think it only fair to give something in return.
I suspect I am not the only person in this situation !


Exactly.

Anayansi, please see Andrea Bullrich's posts in this thread.
I think you may find them interesting.

Saludos,
Andy

http://www.proz.com/?sp=bb/new&ViewTopic&post=9284#9284

there are all types of mistakes from members with dazzling profiles. And it doesn't even matter whether their claims are true or they have cut&pasted someone else's résumé. The thing is, it only takes a few days, a month at most, to realize who's who and whose answers are worth even considering and whose are not. So it probably works both ways: an empty profile doesn't help if you want to check the reliability of an answer, but when you see truly good answers repeatedly and then look at the profile again, you know that person has really earned those degrees, worked for those great companies, whatever.

Cheers,

Andrea


[Edited at 2004-01-21 17:23]


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xxxPaul Roige
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ID me, ID you Jan 22, 2004

CMJ_Trans wrote:
At the moment my profile is empty. The reason is that I am not particularly looking for work and do not want to attract business away from those who are. If my situation changes and I want to market myself and my services, I will adapt accordingly. In the meantime I hope that I can keep on answering questions when I think I have something to contribute. Indeed, one of the reasons I answer questions is that I like to ask them sometimes and think it only fair to give something in return.
I suspect I am not the only person in this situation !


First of all, bear in mind that I respect your decision, it does indeed make sense. However, I was just wondering whether it would be possible for those that are in your situation to provide some information about yourselves so we all know who you are.
The reason is that it's quite nice to give (or receive) kudoz, agrees, disagrees, jobs, opinions, smilies, not quite smilies and whatever else one can get here from a person with a face and a name and a tiny little wee bit of background at least. It makes the whole thing a bit more human and soothing.
Also, it helps you stand out from those who really don't give a hoot about all this. You'll get more respect too. Think of it as a kind of ghost club, imagine being surrounded by invisible (wo)men at a party...
No need to offer your services, but it'd be good to know something about you. If in doubt, you can always stick a note saying "Not for hire", "Engaged", ...
Anyway, it was just a thought.
Cheers
Paul

[Edited at 2004-01-22 07:02]


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xxxCMJ_Trans
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Due consideration... Jan 22, 2004

Quote Paul Roigé: .....However, I was just wondering whether it would be possible for those that are in your situation to provide some information about yourselves so we all know who you are.

Your suggestion is worth due consideration. There are, however, other reasons why I may prefer to remain anonymous, so I shall mull your suggestion over.

For your information, I am no longer in my first youth and have many years of experience - essentially as an interpreter but also as a translator, editor, writer, copywriter, proofreader..... I prefer to answer questions about style or how to understand obscure sentences (as an interpreter I often had/have to unravel the obscure!) I have certain areas of specialist knowledge and will contribute to "technical" questions when I know my ground. I am English mother-tongue but have lived most of my life in France (the Belgium bit is very recent and not yet relevant - I'm working on my Flemish!). I have at least 6-8 daily working languages, though some would only class as "C".
I am a dog fan (sadly mine is very old now), love fast cars and travel to exotic places, have travelled widely and have an interest in language and its preservation.
Is that what you want under "profile"?
Chris


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