Kudoz abuse and certified Pro network
Thread poster: Susanna Garcia

Susanna Garcia  Identity Verified
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Oct 2, 2010

Is there a case for revoking certification when it is apparent from Kudoz that certification criteria are not being met?
For example, see below

# Translation ability *

1. Competence in source
2. Competence in target
3. Research competence
4. Cultural competence
5. Technical competence

Given the strong feelings being expressed at present, does anyone else share this view?


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Mira Stepanovic  Identity Verified
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Thank you for posting this question Oct 2, 2010

Susanna Garcia wrote:

Is there a case for revoking certification when it is apparent from Kudoz that certification criteria are not being met?
For example, see below

# Translation ability *

1. Competence in source
2. Competence in target
3. Research competence
4. Cultural competence
5. Technical competence

Given the strong feelings being expressed at present, does anyone else share this view?


I would certainly love to see an answer from ProZ.com Staff.


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Stéphanie Soudais  Identity Verified
France
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According to the Pro network FAQ Oct 2, 2010

24 - Is it possible for a person to be removed from the network? [Direct link]

Yes. If it becomes clear that a participant does not (or no longer) meets the minimum requirements of any of the three parts to the screening process, that person would be subject to removal from the program.
http://www.proz.com/faq/5105#5105

The screening process seeks to establish only that an applicant meets or exceeds certain minimum professional standards in the three screening areas (translation ability, business reliability and “citizenship”).
http://www.proz.com/faq/5027#5027


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Enrique
Local time: 16:04
SITE STAFF
Support Oct 4, 2010

Hi Susanna,

If you have evidence on a case that would, in your opinion, merit staff evaluation, please submit the relevant information in a support request.

Regards,
Rnrique


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Colin Ryan  Identity Verified
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Will the result be made public? Oct 5, 2010

Question for the site staff: If someone is stripped of their certification, will their name be listed in some kind of Hall of Shame? Or will there be a marker on their profile page, at least? There's not much point in stripping someone of certification if people don't know about it.

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Enrique
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No, the result would not be made public Oct 5, 2010

ryancolm wrote:

Question for the site staff: If someone is stripped of their certification, will their name be listed in some kind of Hall of Shame? Or will there be a marker on their profile page, at least? There's not much point in stripping someone of certification if people don't know about it.


Actions such as the granting or removal of Certified PRO Network status are not commented publicly at ProZ.com.

The objective of removing a site user from the certified PRO program would be to ensure that PRO members fulfil the criteria for acceptance and permanence within the program.

"Letting people know about it" would achieve no useful results.

Regards,
Enrique


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Susanna Garcia  Identity Verified
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Public awareness Oct 5, 2010

Bloody hell, Ryan, even I'm not looking for tarring, feathering or naked riding through the streets of Merthyr (not as uncommon as you might think).
Thanks Enrique for info.


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Charlie Bavington  Identity Verified
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Value as a deterrent? Oct 5, 2010

Enrique wrote:

"Letting people know about it" would achieve no useful results.


It might keep "P" people on their toes, keeping up the standard they apparently demonstrated to get the "P" in the first place, if they thought that their profile would be marked with a big crossed out "P" if the "P" was withdrawn.

Possibly a bit harsh if the only reason for losing the "P" was because they stopped paid membership, but on the other hand, it might encourage people who pay to continue to do so...


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Colin Ryan  Identity Verified
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"Letting people know about it" WOULD achieve useful results! Oct 5, 2010

Sorry, Enrique, but currently if an agency is banned from posting jobs on Proz.com, this is enforced and on that agency's profile page there is an announcement to this effect. I don't see why it shouldn't be the same for freelances.

Think about it from the point of view of a register. If a doctor or lawyer is struck from a register, they are finished. Because of this, the register actually means something. Doctors and lawyers know what they have to do to stay on it.

If we want our profession to have professional status, we have to do something like this.


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Susanna Garcia  Identity Verified
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No, I haven't given up Dec 26, 2010

As the latest round of the blindingly obvious, at least to those truly proficient in their languages rather than being just truly proficient in asking, hits Kudoz, attracting the points piranas, I'd like to say that I'm currently preparing a summary of all the Kudoz-related threads so that we have an overview of what was discussed this year. I'll then post it here, it can be amended and then sent to management for a more structured response than received so far. Is this ok with you?
Suzi


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