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Last straw! - Askers who are too lazy to make up a user name
Thread poster: Robert Donahue
Robert Donahue  Identity Verified
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May 20, 2005

Ok, we've had all manner of discussions about kudoz abusers. Steps are being taken to curb it so I won't rehash that. The latest peeve I have is Askers who are apparently too friggin' lazy to make up a user name. There are two current open questions in my language fields. One individual is using "-" as their user name. Pretty lazy? Sure, but even the singer Prince used a symbol for his name for a few years so I can let that slide. The other one though is completely blank, as in " " is their name! What's next, " " or " "? I can't speak for anyone else but I find that totally offensive. A blank profile is one thing, but if you don't even have the respect to put a name (or for Pete's sake a symbol!) on your profile then you don't deserve an answer. If ever there was an argument for making registration mandatory there it is.

[Subject edited by staff or moderator 2005-05-20 14:49]


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Mikhail Kropotov  Identity Verified
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I hear you May 20, 2005

Hi Rob,

I was going to make a comment about that at the very page with the question you are talking about. I've got a sneaking suspicion that it's one of the Pro'z using an alias (or lack of one!). Not cool.

Mike

[Edited at 2005-05-20 14:07]


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Egmont
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Fair play please May 20, 2005

Mikhail Kropotov wrote:

Hi Rob,

I was going to make a comment about that at the very page with the question you are talking about. I've got a sneaking suspicion that it's one of the Pro'z using an alias (or lack of one!). Not cool.

Mike

[Edited at 2005-05-20 14:07]
That's the question!


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Endre Both  Identity Verified
Germany
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Outside askers May 20, 2005

... often ask their questions via portal sites that don't provide any picture at all of what ProZ actually is. See here:
http://www.e-multiweb.com/info/human.htm

I don't know about you, but I'm generally loath to enter my name the first time I happen upon an internet site. So it's not necessarily lack of manners on the part of askers; they just don't realise that they are asking for a favour from a real person (or indeed from many) rather than accepting a free gift from a company (which we have grown accustomed not to say thank you for because most of the time there's a catch anyway).

Whether or not such partner sites make a net contribution to the site (e.g. by spreading the word about ProZ, by bringing in new members etc.) is for ProZ management to decide.

Those who do not agree with this scheme can vote with their feet any time: by disabling notification of questions from unregistered askers.

Finally, let me repeat something that I've already mentioned in another thread and that I'm looking forward to: access by unregistered askers will be limited starting sometime this year, which is going to reduce "abuse" (meaning too many questions) from non-members.

Endre

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Correction: The site I've linked to does not submit questions directly to ProZ but directs the asker to the usual KudoZ asking form, which features a prominent link to the rules -- which however many askers (who have just filled in a form already and will just be looking for the submit button) probably won't bother to read.

[Edited at 2005-05-20 14:25]


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Sormane Fitzgerald Gomes  Identity Verified
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Are they allowed to do this? May 20, 2005

Endre Both wrote:

... often ask their questions via portal sites that don't provide any picture at all of what ProZ actually is. See here:
http://www.e-multiweb.com/info/human.htm

Endre


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OUR network of professional translators?

That is just wrong. Are they allowed to do this?


Sormane Gomes


[Edited at 2005-05-20 14:31]


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Robert Donahue  Identity Verified
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Wow... May 20, 2005

Sormane Gomes wrote:

Endre Both wrote:

... often ask their questions via portal sites that don't provide any picture at all of what ProZ actually is. See here:
http://www.e-multiweb.com/info/human.htm

Endre


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That is just wrong. Are they allowed to do this?


Sormane Gomes

[Edited at 2005-05-20 14:28]


That's so wrong that I don't even know where to start. Are the site administrators aware of this? Who is this guy? I can't find him/her in the directory.


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Mats Wiman  Identity Verified
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Disregard as best you can! May 20, 2005

If there is something which irritates you, eg. too many questions or anonymous askers, there is always a very sane option: Disregard it. Saves a lot of adrenalin and saves a lot of time.
As Endre points out, a very good policy is to assume good will, i.e. there are most often perfectly reasonable reasons for the problem at hand.

Mats


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Henry Dotterer
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That was my mistake May 20, 2005

Several years ago we had a process whereby translation sites could sign up to have KudoZ boxes on their sites. The idea was to spread the word about the KudoZ service. To the extent that professional sites made use of KudoZ boxes, there was some degree of effectiveness. But we found that it was not practical to monitor the way in which affiliate sites were presenting KudoZ. That is why we are not now accepting KudoZ affiliates.

To answer your question, expressions like the one on that page ("FREE!") are not welcome, but to be fair, I did not think of forbidding it when we ran the program. I'll send a note to the owners of the site. (To be clear, though, Yu-Jian-Yo is not to blame. I have to take responsibility for this.)


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Anabel Martínez  Identity Verified
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that would explain many things indeed May 20, 2005

Assuming good will, that kind of page would explain some of the abuse. Maybe some of the users of those sites even think we get paid to translate terms they can't find, maybe they think it's our job.

Anyway, I agree with the idea that disregarding what bothers you is the best option.


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Kirill Semenov  Identity Verified
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Outrageous! May 20, 2005

Sormane Gomes wrote:
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Gosh! It's outrageous!((


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Kirill Semenov  Identity Verified
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Do nothing... May 20, 2005

Mats Wiman wrote:
If there is something which irritates you, eg. too many questions or anonymous askers, there is always a very sane option: Disregard it. Saves a lot of adrenalin and saves a lot of time.


Yeas, Mats. If your house is robbed, the simplest solution is to disregard it. Just behave as if it's perfectly OK. Very sane. Don't call the police, just do nothing. Take it as it is. It's saves your adrenalin and your time.

Your `golden rule' contradicts the very fact that we have "Call the moderator" button in each question. It means that if we don't like something we CAN (and HAVE) to call moderators' attention to the fact. Otherwise we are to skip any offensive content like exploiting ProZ as a free translation site, abusive religious claims or child pornography. Please, stop to repeat this rule of yours HUNDREDS OF TIMES, I beg you, really! It does not work. And you are a moderator -- please act, don't find an excuse to do nothing or to disregard problems!

[Edited at 2005-05-20 15:07]


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Anabel Martínez  Identity Verified
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not exactly like that May 20, 2005

Kirill Semenov wrote:


Yeas, Mats. If your house is robbed, the simplest solution is to disregard it. Just behave as if it's perfectly OK. Very sane. Don't call the police, just do nothing. Take it as it is. It's saves your adrenalin and your time.

please act, don't find an excuse to do nothing or to disregard problems!


The problem to which Mats was referring here was the fact that some people ask without a name... IMO, that's a minor kind of abuse, so I agree with the fact that one shouldn't take it so much at heart. Now, we found the possible cause, those web pages, and that is offensive indeed!

Kirill, I agree with you in that we have to act, but we don't have to be fighting over everything, life is too short for that And acting is not the same thing as complaining and feeling rage over everything...


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Momoka  Identity Verified
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We all gain May 20, 2005

I think we all gain in new terms (and their definitions) in Kudoz by allowing people access from other sites, so I'm not against this. However, as a member of this site, where we (well, at least I) answer questions and make comments and suggestions in order to make our community of translators and interpreters a better one, would like to know when an asker is a member of Proz or not. I think those who answer should at least have the right to know (and choose, if they prefer to do so).

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moken  Identity Verified
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On the lighter side May 20, 2005

Sormane Gomes wrote:


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Personally I think it's mildly amusing..makes me sounds like an animal in a zoo...I only regret that they didn't say "REAL HUMANS", but do appreciate the fact they said "Intelligent". If only they knew... ))))


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Endre Both  Identity Verified
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The KudoZ page shows already whether the asker is a member or not May 20, 2005

Momoka wrote:
...would like to know when an asker is a member of Proz or not. I think those who answer should at least have the right to know (and choose, if they prefer to do so).


The asker information box (upper left-hand side on the KudoZ page) already reveals whether or not the question comes from a member (if the asker is a member, their name appears in red, and clicking on it takes you to their profile).

Also, you can choose in your e-mail settings (on your profile page) whether or not you wish to receive e-mail notifications from non-members. And, of course, you are also free to choose whether or not you wish to answer their questions.

Endre


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