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Is asker notified if commenter disagrees with chosen answer?
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GoodWords  Identity Verified
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Aug 19, 2005

If an asker has already selected an answer and closed the query, and a commenter believes it is not a correct answer, is notification of the disagree or neutral comment automatically sent to the asker? If not, don't you think it should be?

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two2tango  Identity Verified
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Commenter would be breaking KudoZ rule 4.4 Aug 19, 2005

GoodWords wrote:

If an asker has already selected an answer and closed the query, and a commenter believes it is not a correct answer, is notification of the disagree or neutral comment automatically sent to the asker? If not, don't you think it should be?


In this case the commenter should be reminded of KudoZ rule 4.4 - Commenting on an asker's profile, his/her decision to post a certain question, to grade a certain way, or to make a certain glossary entry, is strictly forbidden.

Regards,
Enrique


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NancyLynn
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Do you mean peer-grading the answer after it's been selected? Aug 19, 2005

If I read you right, you would like to disagree with an answer post-grade.

I've never done that, IIRC, but I've agreed with answers post-grade, and received notifications for same.

Nancy


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gad
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I wouldn't think that posting a peer "disagree" is in violation of that KudoZ rule Aug 19, 2005

I understand and AGREE with the KudoZ rule regarding not commenting on which answer an asker has chosen, but I would think that posting a peer "disagree" would not go against this rule. You're not telling the person that how dare they choose that answer, but you are simply giving your professional opinion on the answer someone posted. As long as it's not coupled with a nasty comment and/or a note telling the asker that s/he chose the wrong answer and needs to change the glossary entry, etc, then I think this should be allowed - if for no other reason than for future reference.

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Gerard de Noord  Identity Verified
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Giving an anwer should be alright Aug 19, 2005

two2tango wrote:

GoodWords wrote:

If an asker has already selected an answer and closed the query, and a commenter believes it is not a correct answer, is notification of the disagree or neutral comment automatically sent to the asker? If not, don't you think it should be?


In this case the commenter should be reminded of KudoZ rule 4.4 - Commenting on an asker's profile, his/her decision to post a certain question, to grade a certain way, or to make a certain glossary entry, is strictly forbidden.

Regards,
Enrique


I've never understood this rule in the way that I couldn't suggest my translation after grading, and I surely hope the asker receives my translation anyway.

Regards,
Gerard


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GoodWords  Identity Verified
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Clarification Aug 19, 2005

GoodWords wrote:
If an asker has already selected an answer and closed the query, and a commenter believes it is not a correct answer, is notification of the disagree or neutral comment automatically sent to the asker? If not, don't you think it should be?


two2tango wrote:In this case the commenter should be reminded of KudoZ rule 4.4 - Commenting on an asker's profile, his/her decision to post a certain question, to grade a certain way, or to make a certain glossary entry, is strictly forbidden.


Does adding a non-agreeing peer comment (when duly justified with references) violate this rule? I didn't think it did. Comments are accepted on closed questions, which I think is a good thing, because it allows members to point out when a less-than-optimum answer has been selected by the asker. Moreover, the intention of my original post was to suggest that the asker should be automatically notified when post-grading comments are added to his/her selected answer (if this doesn't already happen) because it would provide valuable feedback to an asker who may not have selected the best answer (in the case of non-agreeing comments) or support (in the case of agreeing comments).

I know that askers do receive notification of new answers, and answerers receive notification of new peer comments on their own answer (if they choose to do so) but I am wondering whether askers also receive notification of new peer comments on their selected answer. If not, I would suggest that they should.

[Edited at 2005-08-19 01:49]


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gad
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I don't think it violates that rule Aug 19, 2005

GoodWords wrote:

Does adding a non-agreeing peer comment (when duly justified with references) violate this rule? I didn't think it did. Comments are accepted on closed questions, which I think is a good thing, because it allows members to point out when a less-than-optimum answer has been selected by the asker. Moreover, the intention of my original post was to suggest that the asker should be automatically notified when post-grading comments are added to his/her selected answer (if this doesn't already happen) because it would provide valuable feedback to an asker who may not have selected the best answer (in the case of non-agreeing comments) or support (in the case of agreeing comments).


Yes, exactly. As long as you're not blatantly telling the person that they chose the wrong answer and need to change the glossary entry (yes, I've seen this done before) and/or adding nasty comments (yes, I've seen this done before, too), then just posting a "disagree" should not be considered in violation of that rule (WHICH I SUPPORT, BTW). You should be entitled to express your professional opinion.


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Henry Hinds  Identity Verified
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On a few occasions I have directly contacted askers who have selected a clearly incorrect answer with the hope of saving their translation and reputation. I think that is the best way of doing it. And certainly they have thanked me for the saving.

[Edited at 2005-08-19 02:05]


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two2tango  Identity Verified
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I misread the first posting Aug 19, 2005

GoodWords wrote:

If an asker has already selected an answer and closed the query, and a commenter believes it is not a correct answer, is notification of the disagree or neutral comment automatically sent to the asker? If not, don't you think it should be?


I misread the first posting. I was misled by "If an asker has already selected an answer and closed the query, and a commenter believes it is not a correct answer..."

Commenting on the selection made by the asker is against rule 4.4, but disagreeing with an answer by way of peer-grading is one of the normal functions of the system, and of course it is OK.

Enrique



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Nema  Identity Verified
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It once happened to me... Aug 19, 2005

Some time ago, I selected a wrong answer and, after grading, a peer disagreed with the answer and also explained the reasons why. I was actually very grateful, because he helped with a difficult term and otherwise I would have made a mistake.
And yes, I was notified with the "disagree".


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hirselina
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Glossary entries Aug 19, 2005

[quote]gad wrote:

"I understand and AGREE with the KudoZ rule regarding not commenting on which answer an asker has chosen ... As long as it's not coupled with ... a note telling the asker that s/he chose the wrong answer and needs to change the glossary entry ..."

As the glossary is a common endeavour, we are all in some way "responsible" for its quality. The asker may have had "good" reasons to choose a "wrong" answer but I don't see why blatantly wrong entries, which might cause later errors, should be kept in the glossary. However, it might be better to ask the moderator to have a look at the question and check the glossary entry.


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Pablo Grosschmid  Identity Verified
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good for future reference Aug 19, 2005

IMO, after grading by the Asker, a Kudoz question enters the reference database and belongs to the community, not to the Asker.

Any normal reasoned contribution (agree-neutral-disagree) to the selected answer or to any other answer, and even an additional answer (which would obviosly be not-for-points), would certainly enhance the value of the database for future reference, and EVEN MORE if such contributions could be highlighted as having been made after grading.


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Kim Metzger  Identity Verified
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Agree Pablo Aug 19, 2005

Pablo Grosschmid wrote:

IMO, after grading by the Asker, a Kudoz question enters the reference database and belongs to the community, not to the Asker.



Hear, hear!


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MMUlr  Identity Verified
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Me too Aug 19, 2005

Henry Hinds wrote:

On a few occasions I have directly contacted askers who have selected a clearly incorrect answer with the hope of saving their translation and reputation. I think that is the best way of doing it. And certainly they have thanked me for the saving.

[Edited at 2005-08-19 02:05]


I have done this in one or two cases before, but always with polite words and appropriate reference for my choice of translation. In those few cases, the askers were not offended at all, or rather appreciated the comments.

[Edited at 2005-08-19 12:42]


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writeaway  Identity Verified
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Agree 100% Aug 19, 2005

[quote]hirselina wrote:

gad wrote:

"I understand and AGREE with the KudoZ rule regarding not commenting on which answer an asker has chosen ... As long as it's not coupled with ... a note telling the asker that s/he chose the wrong answer and needs to change the glossary entry ..."

As the glossary is a common endeavour, we are all in some way "responsible" for its quality. The asker may have had "good" reasons to choose a "wrong" answer but I don't see why blatantly wrong entries, which might cause later errors, should be kept in the glossary. However, it might be better to ask the moderator to have a look at the question and check the glossary entry.


Pablo Grosschmid wrote:

IMO, after grading by the Asker, a Kudoz question enters the reference database and belongs to the community, not to the Asker.

Any normal reasoned contribution (agree-neutral-disagree) to the selected answer or to any other answer, and even an additional answer (which would obviosly be not-for-points), would certainly enhance the value of the database for future reference, and EVEN MORE if such contributions could be highlighted as having been made after grading.



Although Asker does have the indisputable right to select any answer he/she wants to, this does not mean that a truly erroneous answer has to stay in the glossary and mislead others who may be looking up the term in the future.


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