Agreed postings after the asker has closed the question Thread poster: Frank Bremster
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I gave an answer to a Kuzos question. After pressing enter I realized that somebody was faster than me, and I added a short remark, stating to disregard my answer, as somebody else was faster.
The question was closed by the asker after a couple of minutes, because the answer was clear and obvious.
Now comes the funny part. Although the question was closed and I stated that the answer above me is the valid one (which also received the deserved points) I am still r... See more I gave an answer to a Kuzos question. After pressing enter I realized that somebody was faster than me, and I added a short remark, stating to disregard my answer, as somebody else was faster.
The question was closed by the asker after a couple of minutes, because the answer was clear and obvious.
Now comes the funny part. Although the question was closed and I stated that the answer above me is the valid one (which also received the deserved points) I am still reciving agrees, although the thing is done and over with.
Taking at look at the answer that received the points also suggests that people are still grading it.
I have to ask two questions:
1. (For Henry?) Does it make any sense to allow people to grade questions already closed (and receive points for it). Is it a technical problem?
2. How can people, without any guilty feelings (an assumption) grade questions already clearly answered and graded, in addition to the one, that was even marked late by the author?
A moral question?
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| It's necessary to let the questions open | Feb 2, 2003 |
It\'s my opinion. Any translator can still agree with every answer and get all the browniz, that\'s up to them, I particularly don\'t agree with that. But, and most important and neccesary, they can disagree or be neutral and give a useful hint or comment to the asker and to other translators as well.
That happened to me once. After I chose an answer, and gave the kudoz points, another pro disagree with that answer because -although it was a correct translation- it wasn\'t the perfe... See more It\'s my opinion. Any translator can still agree with every answer and get all the browniz, that\'s up to them, I particularly don\'t agree with that. But, and most important and neccesary, they can disagree or be neutral and give a useful hint or comment to the asker and to other translators as well.
That happened to me once. After I chose an answer, and gave the kudoz points, another pro disagree with that answer because -although it was a correct translation- it wasn\'t the perfect translation for my context.
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| Post-grading KudoZ | Feb 2, 2003 |
The most important thing about KudoZ is the glossary - that\'s really what it\'s all about. When people close a question a few minutes after opening it they are doing a disservice to the main purpose of KudoZ. I often write them a friendly note asking them to keep questions open for at least one day and explain that getting the best answer for the glossary is more important than the asker being satisfied personally. Usually these people answer me and promise to keep my suggestion in mind.
... See more The most important thing about KudoZ is the glossary - that\'s really what it\'s all about. When people close a question a few minutes after opening it they are doing a disservice to the main purpose of KudoZ. I often write them a friendly note asking them to keep questions open for at least one day and explain that getting the best answer for the glossary is more important than the asker being satisfied personally. Usually these people answer me and promise to keep my suggestion in mind.
But peer-grading and answering questions that have been closed is sometimes a very good idea. When I do a search for a term in the glossary I read what everyone has to say on the subject before selecting the best answer for my particular needs. As we all know, some terrible decisions have been made by askers. ▲ Collapse
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JCEC 
Canada
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| From a KudoZ addict | Feb 2, 2003 |
Hello Frank,
I gather from your comments that you are not an active player on the KudoZ scene.
Yes, it does make sense to be able to grade answers after the question has been closed by asker. Yesterday, an asker selected an absurd answer in a language pair and was led to the proper answer by additional comments and peer-grading. Massive agrees for an answer not selected by asker will both guide future users of the glossary and alert moderators to the fac... See more Hello Frank,
I gather from your comments that you are not an active player on the KudoZ scene.
Yes, it does make sense to be able to grade answers after the question has been closed by asker. Yesterday, an asker selected an absurd answer in a language pair and was led to the proper answer by additional comments and peer-grading. Massive agrees for an answer not selected by asker will both guide future users of the glossary and alert moderators to the fact that the entry may need to be corrected. I have seen several such corrections in the past few months.
You find unusual that some persons grade several answers. First let me say that there is little to gain by peer-grading for one who is already a Platinum member. BrowniZ are far less useful than KudoZ. I, for one, will grade two identical answers out of fairness if they were posted at the same time. Otherwise. I grade the best answer or the most-documented one as well as all different answers which seem equally acceptable. Provided I have time to review the questions of the day of course.
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Telesforo Fernandez (X)
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| Mucho ado about nothing | Feb 2, 2003 |
The whole controversy seems to be unwarranted.Why to make a warfare of such mundane things like Kudoz points? I still feel that if a particular answer suits the asker\'s context, it is perfectly justified to close the question. Kudoz has always been the bone of contention.It is like the dog biting its own tail.
Chase jobs, not Kudoz points.
Do jobs close early?
Are jobs genuine enough?
Do you know the clear physical address of the job poster?
... See more The whole controversy seems to be unwarranted.Why to make a warfare of such mundane things like Kudoz points? I still feel that if a particular answer suits the asker\'s context, it is perfectly justified to close the question. Kudoz has always been the bone of contention.It is like the dog biting its own tail.
Chase jobs, not Kudoz points.
Do jobs close early?
Are jobs genuine enough?
Do you know the clear physical address of the job poster?
Do you know what happened to the job you quoted for?
Thse are the key issues and not the illusion of the Kudoz garden path.
I mean no offense to anyone. Let us see the things through the proper lenses.
Regards to all,
Telef
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Uwe Kirmse
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| Earning BrowniZ | Feb 2, 2003 |
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On 2003-02-02 01:23, kmetzger wrote:
...When I do a search for a term in the glossary I read what everyone has to say on the subject before selecting the best answer for my particular needs. ...
No, Kim. If there would be any additional comment to these \"agrees\", you would be right. Also \"disagree\" can be heplfull, because often the asker chooses a wrong answer, and others may sea... See more Quote:
On 2003-02-02 01:23, kmetzger wrote:
...When I do a search for a term in the glossary I read what everyone has to say on the subject before selecting the best answer for my particular needs. ...
No, Kim. If there would be any additional comment to these \"agrees\", you would be right. Also \"disagree\" can be heplfull, because often the asker chooses a wrong answer, and others may search the glossary later. The answerer of the wrong answer could learn something too.
But have just a look at these questions. People simply grade old questions, all old quetions they can find, even in pairs of languages they don\'t work in nor even speak, only in order to earn some BrowniZ (10 Br. per answer?). If they need it, let them do so, they\'re just poor people. If they earn their BrowniZ, I don\'t loose anything.
Telesforo - if you have more important problems than KudoZ, please allow others to discuss about KudoZ too. Otherwise we would have to discuss only on one main problem in the world (which - hunger, AIDS, terrorism, war?), because all others (including the whole ProZ.com, also your JOBS) are unimportant.
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| This Kudoz and Browniz Point issue IS important! | Feb 3, 2003 |
\"The whole controversy seems to be unwarranted. Why to make a warfare of such mundane things like Kudoz points?\"
I am quoting from a message posted by Telesforo, because I have to disagree with this opening statement. I am a newcomer at ProZ.com and, although everything about it is great, to me the best thing it has is the point-earning system. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to back mine in particular, Kudoz and Browniz points -and all things related= make for... See more \"The whole controversy seems to be unwarranted. Why to make a warfare of such mundane things like Kudoz points?\"
I am quoting from a message posted by Telesforo, because I have to disagree with this opening statement. I am a newcomer at ProZ.com and, although everything about it is great, to me the best thing it has is the point-earning system. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to back mine in particular, Kudoz and Browniz points -and all things related= make for a serious issue, because those points (especially the Kudoz) to a large extent (although not the last word) reflect the skill and knowledge of the translators who participate on the board.
I definitely agree with Uwe when he says that both \"agrees\" and \"disagrees\" submitted after Kudoz postings have been closed can be helpful, provided they include comments.
In short, I hope you don\'t decide to disable this option. Translators/linguists can look at the answers with a fresh perspective and can take a little more time to analyze all the options and, often, make even better suggestions than the answer chosen.
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