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Audit clause in freelance contracts - a breach of the other clients' NDAs
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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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GDPR Jun 29, 2018

Christine Andersen wrote:

Quite apart from the fact that it would infringe his NDA if another client came along with similar requests.


Besides, I also believe any such request could potentially violate the GDPR, as it could expose other individuals' personal data.

I just refused to sign an NDA with a similar clause today, from what looked like an otherwise very promising client, but I doubt they'll be willing to amend the agreement, although I clearly explained them why I couldn't sign (even if they said it was extremely unlikely that clause would be ever enforced), including what you wrote above.


 

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How about a counter proposal? Jun 30, 2018

Should you have a spare moment and be in the mood for some fun, reply requesting at least, oh, say, a meager 5000 words per week on a give-or-pay basis, a special dedicated computer to be returned upon termination of your relationship, a technician who will set it up with all the software, passwords and security they require and an access to their system and servers (say, SharePoint), and who will keep coming for repairs when necessary, their corporate email account under your name and a general... See more
Should you have a spare moment and be in the mood for some fun, reply requesting at least, oh, say, a meager 5000 words per week on a give-or-pay basis, a special dedicated computer to be returned upon termination of your relationship, a technician who will set it up with all the software, passwords and security they require and an access to their system and servers (say, SharePoint), and who will keep coming for repairs when necessary, their corporate email account under your name and a general contractor to construct the vault or at least a locker where you'll be hiding their computer and files from the auditors of other companies not to breach their own NDA. All at their expense.

Then you can assure them that you would not mind to offer a cup of coffee and a doughnut to their auditor:-)












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DZiW
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GDPR at-tack & de-fend Jun 30, 2018

Irina, it it's not a sarcasm, you're right for all parties are subject to audit, so it's ok to ask your client to cross-check their 'security' too. Why, I also like free coffee and doughnuts)

However, most sensitive and confidential/NDA projects run in a virtual machine environment and the VM is just removed or flushed at the end, which does almost what you said about disposing PC.

Fancy, some try enforcing an 'independent' audit while others back off and reject such mo
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Irina, it it's not a sarcasm, you're right for all parties are subject to audit, so it's ok to ask your client to cross-check their 'security' too. Why, I also like free coffee and doughnuts)

However, most sensitive and confidential/NDA projects run in a virtual machine environment and the VM is just removed or flushed at the end, which does almost what you said about disposing PC.

Fancy, some try enforcing an 'independent' audit while others back off and reject such monitoring--and all for allegedly the same reason--GDPR.
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Daryo
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The right reply Jun 30, 2018

[quote]IrinaN wrote:

Should you have a spare moment and be in the mood for some fun, reply requesting at least, oh, say, a meager 5000 words per week on a give-or-pay basis, a special dedicated computer to be returned upon termination of your relationship, a technician who will set it up with all the software, passwords and security they require and an access to their system and servers (say, SharePoint), and who will keep coming for repairs when necessary, their corporate email account under your name and a general contractor to construct the vault or at least a locker where you'll be hiding their computer and files from the auditors of other companies not to breach their own NDA. All at their expense.

Then you can assure them that you would not mind to offer a cup of coffee and a doughnut to their auditor:-)

Some fun?

I would rather see it as something dead serious ... to make them understand than nothing is for free - IOW you want that level of security? could do but then pay for it!!!


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Mirko Mainardi  Identity Verified
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Not so sure about that... Jul 1, 2018

DZiW wrote:

Fancy, some try enforcing an 'independent' audit while others back off and reject such monitoring--and all for allegedly the same reason--GDPR.


I've seen threads about "auditing" that date back to 2006, and possibly earlier, so I'm not sure this is strictly related to GDPR, although, if similar clauses are spreading now (an I'm not sure about that either), then the two things might be related, to some extent. At any rate, I really don't think private companies have any business (or authority) trying to enforce legislative compliance on their suppliers, while suppliers have a direct obligation (deontological, contractual and under the law) to protect their clients' data (from other clients too...). Furthermore, the definition of "Confidential Information" referred to in NDAs doesn't coincide at all with that of "personal data" used by the GDPR (see article 4, "Definitions", here: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:32016R0679 )

And by the way, I don't think the "audits" included in NDAs are necessarily "independent". I know for a fact the one I was referring to in my previous post wasn't, and there was no mention of the GDPR anywhere in the agreement either.


 

DZiW
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Severability Jul 1, 2018

Mirco, although local laws already protect private data, now you know where GDPR is coming from, even when there're no explicit names)

While a NDA usually consistsof three parts:
1) Definitions and exclusions of confidential information
2) Obligations from all involved people or parties
3) Time periods
and among other cases in which confidential information might be protected include
* Information about clients or customers for a specific company
Now they impose enforcing ex-territorial audit and liability, combining both NDA and GDPR.

This May-June my colleagues working with foreign customers got very many 'sensitive information' templates and relative subsidiary agreements, which mention 'audit'. However, who decides and why unilateral, not a two-way NDA, I wonder? My direct clients don't demand it, yet as a freelancer I wouldn't consider signing such a restriction for a common sense should do nicely.

On the other hand, in the view of Pan-Eropean jurisdiction, I couldn't find recent public cases of independent (“1099 ”) contractor NDA violations

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I see rotten tomatoes flying my way already :-) Jul 2, 2018

I have never seen any such clause with my own eyes but I'm just curious - what's in it exactly? Just "we can do the audit" or any specifics about the manner, the frequency and the extent of this audit? The discussion is so heated, let's cool it down for a moment.

Let's suppose that I'm starving (I do not:-) ) or the reward is too huge to brush off; let's suppose that the agency, which is otherwise sane, well-paying and professional, is being suffocated by their own auditors from hi
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I have never seen any such clause with my own eyes but I'm just curious - what's in it exactly? Just "we can do the audit" or any specifics about the manner, the frequency and the extent of this audit? The discussion is so heated, let's cool it down for a moment.

Let's suppose that I'm starving (I do not:-) ) or the reward is too huge to brush off; let's suppose that the agency, which is otherwise sane, well-paying and professional, is being suffocated by their own auditors from higher places threatening a loss of a 7-digit bid or contract, and let's suppose that I am so good-natured that I just take it easy, "only business, nothing personal". All businesses get audited, no sweat. Warning - all hypothetical!

Disclaimer 1: I shall not be engaged in freedom or windmill fighting. I am truly independent because I can decline any single offer for any reason without worrying about my next light bill. All other freedoms are but an illusion unless you are Diogenes, and declaring oneself a freelancer is only a first small step on the road to freedom. It's a long road full of bumps, disappointments, solitude in all your struggles, nails broken from climbing up and, at the right times, compromises...

Disclaimer 2: no part of the above hypothesis is applicable to the agencies operating on a "Hi you, we offer potential 20 million words for life at your best rate with 90% CAT discount and 24/7 availability" basis, or 2-pages-a-quarter customers.

Disclaimer 3: should anyone accuse me of liking or promoting what I 'm saying, your anger will be utterly misplaced. I'm just a very down-to-earth person and my pink glasses no longer fit. Times have changed, and I live in the real world.

Did anyone try to counter with something like this:

1. The exclusive purpose of the audit shall be the verification of the independent contractor's compliance with the basic data protection requirements.
2. A proper advance notice of the date and time of the audit must be submitted and agreed on.
3. Auditor’s name, title, address and company must be disclosed and agreed on in advance together with the form of credentials and a picture ID to be presented upon arrival.
4. IC's time shall be reimbursed in the amount of 1 (one) ID's standard daily rate as agreed in the contract.
5. The auditor shall respect the privacy of the IC's home and limit his visit strictly to the shown office area.
6. Under no circumstances the auditor shall be allowed to operate IC's computer(s) or use any external media [many words can be added here regarding freelancing specifics, other clients, private property etc.]
7. The auditor shall have the right to reasonable requests such as to ask IC to restart the computer in his presence to prove that it is password-protected, check the icons on a desktop representing anti- and mal- SW and ask to open them to verify current subscriptions and times of the latest updates. Run a quick scan, check the updates of the software used for XXX jobs. [Oh well, he can even wait and see that the screen saver kicks in soon enough (like I can’t reset it later😊)]
8. The auditor shall not require an access to any irrelevant data, applications or emails except for the dedicated email account or any other accesses set by XXX, if any. [I’ve mentioned this as a joke before but in fact it’s a real thing and I have 2 such account by 2 different clients, very big dudes who, by the way, dump a truckload of security and training requirements on you but home audit is not one of them]
9. In the event of illness or other emergencies affecting children, a spouse or any other family members residing permanently in the same house, IC shall have the right to cancel the audit appointment until further notice.

10. Keep it coming


Well, I performed a few mouse clicks, the audit is over, time for coffee. If I'm not mistaken, it was Nikki (or Teresa?) who asked the spot-on question - who is going to pay for this major exercise?

Not to mention that as a US citizen, I am not obligated to let anyone unexpected into my dwelling without a warrant, even the police, or even if the person was invited but I changed my mind at the last minute. I don’t think that this clause gives a translation agency the right to knock my door down for an unexpected audit, which in itself is absurd and does not happen to any business in good standing, at least in the US, and that same police is always there for me to help escort the gentleman or the lady to the door in the event of abuse of the agreed terms of the audit.

Finally, seriously and not hypothetically - I doubt that we'll scare Fortune 500 companies with the threat of revolution, so let's try to show a truly dignified approach and make our terms just as legal, justified and hard-to-comply-but-even-harder-to-ignore as the laws and regulations that are being pushed on us. Simply throwing a business opportunity out if the window without a fight is not the best way to change things and pay the bills, IMHO. It's the best way to give in and give way.

Just a monkey wrench...





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Love it, Irina Jul 2, 2018

If the simple option of refusing to sign and explaining why doesn't work, then adding a set of clauses like yours would be excellent as step 2.

 

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Adding one more clause Jul 2, 2018

IrinaN wrote:

I have never seen any such clause with my own eyes but I'm just curious - what's in it exactly? Just "we can do the audit" or any specifics about the manner, the frequency and the extent of this audit? The discussion is so heated, let's cool it down for a moment.

Let's suppose that I'm starving (I do not:-) ) or the reward is too huge to brush off; let's suppose that the agency, which is otherwise sane, well-paying and professional, is being suffocated by their own auditors from higher places threatening a loss of a 7-digit bid or contract, and let's suppose that I am so good-natured that I just take it easy, "only business, nothing personal". All businesses get audited, no sweat. Warning - all hypothetical!

Disclaimer 1: I shall not be engaged in freedom or windmill fighting. I am truly independent because I can decline any single offer for any reason without worrying about my next light bill. All other freedoms are but an illusion unless you are Diogenes, and declaring oneself a freelancer is only a first small step on the road to freedom. It's a long road full of bumps, disappointments, solitude in all your struggles, nails broken from climbing up and, at the right times, compromises...

Disclaimer 2: no part of the above hypothesis is applicable to the agencies operating on a "Hi you, we offer potential 20 million words for life at your best rate with 90% CAT discount and 24/7 availability" basis, or 2-pages-a-quarter customers.

Disclaimer 3: should anyone accuse me of liking or promoting what I 'm saying, your anger will be utterly misplaced. I'm just a very down-to-earth person and my pink glasses no longer fit. Times have changed, and I live in the real world.

Did anyone try to counter with something like this:

1. The exclusive purpose of the audit shall be the verification of the independent contractor's compliance with the basic data protection requirements.
2. A proper advance notice of the date and time of the audit must be submitted and agreed on.
3. Auditor’s name, title, address and company must be disclosed and agreed on in advance together with the form of credentials and a picture ID to be presented upon arrival.
4. IC's time shall be reimbursed in the amount of 1 (one) ID's standard daily rate as agreed in the contract.
5. The auditor shall respect the privacy of the IC's home and limit his visit strictly to the shown office area.
6. Under no circumstances the auditor shall be allowed to operate IC's computer(s) or use any external media [many words can be added here regarding freelancing specifics, other clients, private property etc.]
7. The auditor shall have the right to reasonable requests such as to ask IC to restart the computer in his presence to prove that it is password-protected, check the icons on a desktop representing anti- and mal- SW and ask to open them to verify current subscriptions and times of the latest updates. Run a quick scan, check the updates of the software used for XXX jobs. [Oh well, he can even wait and see that the screen saver kicks in soon enough (like I can’t reset it later😊)]
8. The auditor shall not require an access to any irrelevant data, applications or emails except for the dedicated email account or any other accesses set by XXX, if any. [I’ve mentioned this as a joke before but in fact it’s a real thing and I have 2 such account by 2 different clients, very big dudes who, by the way, dump a truckload of security and training requirements on you but home audit is not one of them]
9. In the event of illness or other emergencies affecting children, a spouse or any other family members residing permanently in the same house, IC shall have the right to cancel the audit appointment until further notice.

10. Keep it coming


Well, I performed a few mouse clicks, the audit is over, time for coffee. If I'm not mistaken, it was Nikki (or Teresa?) who asked the spot-on question - who is going to pay for this major exercise?

Not to mention that as a US citizen, I am not obligated to let anyone unexpected into my dwelling without a warrant, even the police, or even if the person was invited but I changed my mind at the last minute. I don’t think that this clause gives a translation agency the right to knock my door down for an unexpected audit, which in itself is absurd and does not happen to any business in good standing, at least in the US, and that same police is always there for me to help escort the gentleman or the lady to the door in the event of abuse of the agreed terms of the audit.

Finally, seriously and not hypothetically - I doubt that we'll scare Fortune 500 companies with the threat of revolution, so let's try to show a truly dignified approach and make our terms just as legal, justified and hard-to-comply-but-even-harder-to-ignore as the laws and regulations that are being pushed on us. Simply throwing a business opportunity out if the window without a fight is not the best way to change things and pay the bills, IMHO. It's the best way to give in and give way.

Just a monkey wrench...



[Edited at 2018-07-02 02:19 GMT]


10. As even the police needs warrants from a magistrate judge before they can search a house, the auditor should be accompanied by at least a police officer…


 

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How could I forget! Jul 2, 2018

My auditor may not be allergic to cats!

 

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I am afraid we have to be really united to make our opinion known and impose it... Jul 30, 2018

Christine Andersen wrote:

I have translated some invasive ISO audit clauses for clients (I just translate what the text says...). But on consideration, if it is about preventing child labour, hazardous chemicals or unreasonable working conditions, I thought I could go along with it.

Now I am wondering.
The big firms trample on everyone else's privacy and security.
The middle-sized manufacturers shout 'child labour' if the owner's son in a family business helps out for a couple of hours after school. Well, it could happen in theory...

In the name of security, translators are supposed to let clients and their agents trample all over other clients' confidential documents and invade our privacy.

If you start that petition, Reea-Silvia, please put my name on it or send it to me to sign!

I suddenly thought of Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I hope we are still far from that situation, but thank you for speaking out!



HI, everybody... Thank you so much for speaking out. This is so important for all of us!

I could see Christine your opposition worked out. Good for you! I was traveling when you posted that comment and my connection was on and off and could not answer... I am happy for you! And i have to say all of you made excellent points and have great ideas. Irina, I agree with you, too.

Well, I am finally at home and I have received this message from a friend today and it reminded of your message, Christine, so... I decided to post it here... It is in tune with the issue. It is in French, but you can use Google Translate... My English is not that good therefore i didn't dare to translate it.






Voilà le message tellement actuel de Marc Lafontan et sa perspective sur les provocations de la vie dans la société de nos jours :

Lorsqu’ils ont bombardé la Corée, le Vietnam, le Laos, le Cambodge, El Salvador et le Nicaragua, je n’ai rien dit, je n’étais pas communiste.


Lorsqu’ils ont bombardé la Chine, le Guatemala, l’Indonésie, Cuba et le Congo, je n’ai rien dit, je n’étais pas au courant.

Lorsqu’ils ont bombardé le Liban et la Grenade, je n’ai rien dit, je ne comprends rien à la politique internationale.

Lorsqu’ils ont bombardé le Panama, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas un trafiquant de drogue.

Lorsqu’ils ont bombardé l’Irak, l’Afghanistan, le Pakistan, la Somalie et le Yémen, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas un terroriste.

Lorsqu’ils ont bombardé la Yougoslavie, la Libye et la Côte d’ivoire pour des raisons « humanitaires » je n’ai rien dit, cela avait l’air d’être une bonne raison.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé que les graines OGM devaient doubler les récoltes et qu’on devait en semer partout, je n’ai rien dit, c’est sûrement pour le bien de tous.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit qu’il fallait étendre plus d’engrais, plus de pesticide sur les fourrages et donner plus d’antibiotiques et de farine animale au bétail, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas paysan.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit d’arrêter de faire pousser des jardins et des herbes médicinales je n’ai rien dit, j’habite en ville et j’achète ma bouffe au supermarché.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit que toutes les maladies qu’on attrape viennent de notre génétique et non des additifs et autres saloperies qu’ils ajoutent dans notre nourriture, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas nutritionniste.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit qu’il fallait prendre des médicaments de plus en plus forts pour combattre des maladies de plus en plus infectieuses, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas pharmacien.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé de nous vacciner massivement pour une épidémie inexistante de grippe je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas médecin.


Lorsqu’ils ont annoncé que fumer peut nuire aux spermatozoïdes, je n’ai rien dit, à 6 euros le paquet, j’avais déjà mal aux couilles.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé de faire l’Europe malgré un référendum populaire qui disait massivement non, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas un juriste.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé que je payerai plus d’impôts qu’une personne qui gagne 80 fois mon salaire, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas un économiste.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit qu’il fallait se serrer encore la ceinture pour repayer des trous financiers crées par des banques qui ont joué de l’argent qui n’était pas eux à la loterie de la Bourse mondiale, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas comptable.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé de faire tout le contraire une fois élu de ce qu’ils ont promis pour se faire élire, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas politicien.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé de nous ficher dans des dizaines de banques de données, je n’ai rien dit, je n’ai rien à me reprocher.

Quand ils ont annoncé que le Taser était sans danger, je n’ai rien dit, je me suis dit que le courant passerait mieux entre la jeunesse et les forces de l’ordre.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit qu’il fallait contrôler encore plus l’internet, je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas un hacker.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé de faire des rafles en pleine rue pour vérifier des papiers d’identité, je n’ai rien dit, je suis d’ici.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit que c’était notre faute si il y avait un réchauffement climatique mondial je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas un scientifique.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit que les radiations des tests d’explosion nucléaires et les incidents nucléaires civils n’occasionnaient aucune retombée radioactive sur notre pays je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas météorologiste.

Lorsqu’ils ont pollué tous les océans avec leur pétrole, leur Corexit, leur radioactivité, leur plastique, leurs poubelles, et empoisonné toute la chaîne alimentaire des poissons je n’ai rien dit, je ne suis pas océanographe.


Lorsqu’ils ont dit qu’il n’y avait aucun danger à se coller un téléphone mobile à l’oreille et à baigner dans une soupe d’ondes émises par des milliers d’antenne, je n’ai rien dit, je trouvais ça tripant de pouvoir parler à quelqu’un tout le temps.

Lorsqu’ils ont décidé de couper l’info sur l’actualité internationale à la TV pour du People, je n’ai rien dit, j’aime le foot et les seins nus.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit qu’il fallait être plus productif pour moins de salaire et bosser plus longtemps dans ma vie pour une retraite qui n’existerait plus, je n’ai rien dit, je travaillais à deux emplois pour essayer de survivre.

Lorsqu’ils ont dit que la Terre était en surpopulation, je n’ai rien dit, j’étais enfin mort, le cerveau fondu par une vie passée à stresser entre la pauvreté et mon boulot pour des entreprises qui m’ont finalement jeté avant d’avoir à payer ma retraite, nourri aux anti-dépresseurs pour tenir le coup et combattre mes insomnies, bourré d’OGM, d’additifs alimentaires ce qui a rallongé la liste de médicaments à prendre que j’ai noyé dans des apéros en regardant mon match de foot à la télévision, sans questionnement sur ma place dans la Vie et mon rôle dans la société.

Mais mes enfants, eux, ont peut-être quelque chose à dire ?


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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Merci bien et pas de problème! Jul 30, 2018

It is a long time since I wrote anything in French, but I can still read it

I was at a reunion near my old school last week and saw several people for the first time in 50 years... We talked about some of the 'trouble-makers' from the old days who have actually made their mark by speaking out and not swimming with the stream. We were privileged, and I hope I have passed on some of the benefits I enjoyed.


 

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It was so much easier back then... Jul 30, 2018

I mean today if someone resists, there are a lot of things that can happen. Some time ago our opinion mattered... now not so much... They simply choose to ignore us. Look at the GRDP... i have already translated certain documents for certain companies and they simply use this: if you do not agree with us processing your personal data, you won't be able to do that or that or that... So why the GRDP? The companies or governments still do whatever they want. Our rights are not more protected than b... See more
I mean today if someone resists, there are a lot of things that can happen. Some time ago our opinion mattered... now not so much... They simply choose to ignore us. Look at the GRDP... i have already translated certain documents for certain companies and they simply use this: if you do not agree with us processing your personal data, you won't be able to do that or that or that... So why the GRDP? The companies or governments still do whatever they want. Our rights are not more protected than before... I would say on the contrary... so why all the fuss? Who is benefiting of this? and who is losing?Collapse


 

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Thinking to what i said before... Jul 30, 2018

I think i know why they needed GRDP... if until now us tacitly accepting or simply ignoring what is going on in this world (as Marc Lafontan said as in the above comment) worked for them, now they need our consent.

Why? Because when people just shut up and accept because they don't dare to oppose openly, or because they simply don't care enough, somebody can become brave enough to just shout: „This is not good for us!” and encourage others to react, wake people up and stir a rio
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I think i know why they needed GRDP... if until now us tacitly accepting or simply ignoring what is going on in this world (as Marc Lafontan said as in the above comment) worked for them, now they need our consent.

Why? Because when people just shut up and accept because they don't dare to oppose openly, or because they simply don't care enough, somebody can become brave enough to just shout: „This is not good for us!” and encourage others to react, wake people up and stir a riot or a revolution... but when we get used to give our consent willingly, clearly, explicitly, expressly, easily and DAILY or even several times per day, in the end there will come a day when nobody will be able to just stand and say: „I do not agree with this... I do not want this... They cannot do this to us!”... because people would have already consented to it. The vast majority of them. When you give your CONSENT easily and daily for all sort of stupid little things... they will make you say „yes” afterwards to other bigger matters.

This is exactly the foot-in-door technique: „Foot-in-the-door (FITD) technique is a compliance tactic that aims at getting a person to agree to a large request by having them agree to a modest request first.” (WIKI)

They will make us CONSENT to vaccines, GMOs, etc... whatever they want... even us getting into slavery. Keep in mind that there are companies that already force their employees to accept chips implanted in their bodies if they want to keep their jobs.

This is why I said in my last post before Christine revived the topic that we should enjoy our freedom as long as we can. They have no shame. And no ethics. No principles. Nothing. They just want us... to belong to them and let ourselves be manipulated.

So if we don't resist... there are so many manipulation tactics... they will use one for a segments of the public, another for another segment of the public... etc... we are in grave danger.

This is why we have to resist... and keep saying no to their tactics. Stay informed. Stay aware.

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Daryo
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Once again Jul 31, 2018

what might look like some evil conspiracy is nothing more than plain stupidity and / or incompetence.

When it comes to large scale contracts between suppliers and clients, it's considered as perfectly reasonable and acceptable that the client is not expected to stay out of the way and have no idea what's going on until presented with the final product at the factory gate.

There might be some legal fiction saying that it's how it should be done - your factory, you do wha
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what might look like some evil conspiracy is nothing more than plain stupidity and / or incompetence.

When it comes to large scale contracts between suppliers and clients, it's considered as perfectly reasonable and acceptable that the client is not expected to stay out of the way and have no idea what's going on until presented with the final product at the factory gate.

There might be some legal fiction saying that it's how it should be done - your factory, you do what you want - all the client is entitled to is to check the final product before accepting it. Yes, maybe in theory.

In practice even 30 - 40 years ago (if not even before) some big clients would take the trouble to send a representative that will watch what your are doing and nose everywhere they want. Without going into lengthy discussion, in such cases it makes commercial sense / is a reasonable practice.

When it becomes plain nonsense and beyond-redemption stupidity is when you try to simply copy-paste the same logic to individual translators working from their own home.

There is also another probable source of this "home audit" nonsense - these companies trying to get some kind of ISO certification, where requirements have been designed having in mind full time employees working in employers' premises exclusively for their employer.

And here we come to my previous post - these companies want to have people working for them who are not their employees (so they don't have to provide anything - no offices, no computers, no holidays, no sick pay, nothing) but they still want to make it look like as it makes no difference, so they can boast about being "ISO [or whatever] certified". Well, even little kids know you can't have your cake and eat it.
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