How to break for a paragraph?
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madak  Identity Verified
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Apr 26, 2010

Maybe not the most appropriate forum, but can't find one that fits better. Usual statement to moderators "Please feel free to move if...".

I'm trying to get to grips with what the conventions/rules are when separating paragraphs in a number of languages languages. My main focus is western European languages, FIGS (French, Italian, German, Spanish) as well as Portuguese and Russian.

Indention, hard break (empty line between paragraphs), soft break (no empty line) or other?

For example:

1. Indention

[nbsp] Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Suspendisse tempus fringilla ante ac mollis. Nulla facilisi. Donec blandit libero mattis nunc pharetra nec vehicula libero feugiat.
[nbsp] Nulla nec mi ut orci lacinia ultrices ut ut quam. Nulla sed arcu id mauris vulputate aliquet et id justo. Nunc sed viverra metus. Sed auctor suscipit mauris ut porta. Integer nec consectetur lectus. Morbi molestie dolor ut turpis mattis posuere. Vivamus ut libero ut ante egestas adipiscing at ac turpis.
[nbsp] Pellentesque mattis nisl sed nunc ultrices vitae commodo metus mattis. Fusce iaculis vestibulum lorem, vel iaculis nisi luctus eget. Curabitur non tortor ac elit pharetra laoreet. Nunc et leo quis quam aliquam pretium. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos.

2. Hard return/empty line

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Suspendisse tempus fringilla ante ac mollis. Nulla facilisi. Donec blandit libero mattis nunc pharetra nec vehicula libero feugiat.

Nulla nec mi ut orci lacinia ultrices ut ut quam. Nulla sed arcu id mauris vulputate aliquet et id justo. Nunc sed viverra metus. Sed auctor suscipit mauris ut porta. Integer nec consectetur lectus. Morbi molestie dolor ut turpis mattis posuere. Vivamus ut libero ut ante egestas adipiscing at ac turpis.

Pellentesque mattis nisl sed nunc ultrices vitae commodo metus mattis. Fusce iaculis vestibulum lorem, vel iaculis nisi luctus eget. Curabitur non tortor ac elit pharetra laoreet. Nunc et leo quis quam aliquam pretium. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos.

3. Soft break

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Suspendisse tempus fringilla ante ac mollis. Nulla facilisi. Donec blandit libero mattis nunc pharetra nec vehicula libero feugiat.
Nulla nec mi ut orci lacinia ultrices ut ut quam. Nulla sed arcu id mauris vulputate aliquet et id justo. Nunc sed viverra metus. Sed auctor suscipit mauris ut porta. Integer nec consectetur lectus. Morbi molestie dolor ut turpis mattis posuere. Vivamus ut libero ut ante egestas adipiscing at ac turpis.
Pellentesque mattis nisl sed nunc ultrices vitae commodo metus mattis. Fusce iaculis vestibulum lorem, vel iaculis nisi luctus eget. Curabitur non tortor ac elit pharetra laoreet. Nunc et leo quis quam aliquam pretium. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos.

Which is acceptable according to your language's rules/conventions?

In Swedish for example:

1 - would be the convention for books, newspapers and other printed media, and occasionally used online

2 - is the norm online, but not much used in print

3 - is not generally acceptable

Madeleine

Edited to try to add non/breaking space.


[Edited at 2010-04-26 21:07 GMT]
Not working so please just assume [nbsp] indicates an indention.

[Edited at 2010-04-26 21:09 GMT]

[Edited at 2010-04-26 22:01 GMT]


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madak  Identity Verified
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ProZ forums don't appear to do indents Apr 26, 2010

So you will just have to imagine that text 1 is indented by 3-4 spaces until I can find a way of adding these spaces without them disappearing in the forum.

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Lingua 5B  Identity Verified
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Hard break Apr 27, 2010

It's a hard break for a new thought or aspect of a topic. It mostly has to do with aspects and thought process when writing a comprehensive piece. Thus, I have no idea what's said in your presented samples, and wouldn't know why you made breaks where you did.

New thematic aspect = a new paragraph/ hard break........ this is a universal rule

There might be some other in specific languages, perhaps.

I'm not sure though if this is the kind of rule you were asking for? Or it's something to do with text layout and make-up? Perhaps I missed your point.


[Edited at 2010-04-27 10:35 GMT]


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Attila Piróth  Identity Verified
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Google books and LateX Apr 27, 2010

Hi Madeleine,

The answer to your typographical question depends on a number of factors, such as:
- the medium: will it be a webpage, a printed manual, or a printed book?
- the nature of the document: is it just text or contains a lot of images etc. as well?

If it is mostly text and you are looking for a book-type presentation, my vote would go for the tabulated text, your first option. Special care should be taken with the first paragraph of each chapter, section, etc.

I would suggest that you go to http://books.google.com , and search for books in the given languages. Literature classics, published at renowned publishers. They usually pay due attention to typography, so your can quite safely follow them.

If you want to create text documents that are typeset with more typographical knowhow than what MS Word offers, take a look at LaTeX, and in particular its WYSIWHM (what you see is what you mean) type editor, Lyx. Using the language-specific defaults, you can produce really pleasing outputs – plus you have a transparent control of a lot of features that allow you to fine tune your doc. See a sample page here.

Kind regards,
Attila


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