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Dilemna or dilemma? Are you sure?
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LegalTransform  Identity Verified
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Apr 13, 2016

Dilemna or dilemma? Are you sure?

www.dilemna.info


If you read the comments in the yellow sidebar, you will see that many people were taught the incorrect spelling.

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/it-dilemma-or-dilemna "I was taught the wrong spelling in school, and when I got older and checked a dictionary, I was shocked to find that the word is spelled "dilemma."

http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-dil1.htm "The reason for it seems to be a mental confusion with other words in English that are spelled with mn but said as mm, including autumn, hymn, condemn, solemn and column"

[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:57 GMT]


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Tom in London
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Dilemma Apr 13, 2016

LegalTransform wrote:

Dilemna or dilemma? Are you sure?

www.dilemna.info

[Edited at 2016-04-13 13:51 GMT]


No dilemma here. It's "dilemma".

Now how about "lose" and "loose" or "antisemetic or antisemitic"?

[Edited at 2016-04-13 13:55 GMT]


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Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Hoax? Apr 13, 2016

Isn't this a hoax? I've never seen it spelt with an "n".

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Tom in London
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Spelt? Apr 13, 2016

Erik Freitag wrote:

Isn't this a hoax? I've never seen it spelt with an "n".


- or spelled?


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Something to do with how M and N sounds are produced? Apr 13, 2016

I guess when anglophone people just hear the word, without seeing it written, here is what happens:

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When the mn spelling occurs at the end of a word it is usually pronounced as an m sound (the n is silent).

Source: http://www.pronuncian.com/pronounce-m-sound

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So I guess they confuse mm for mn situation.

We don't have this "dilemNa" in my language as we don't have double consonant spelling at all. We just say "dilema", and pronounce is just the way you see it, one letter, one sound.



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We were taught in school... Apr 13, 2016

... that it was spelled with an "n". We were even taught to mispronounce it (in our head) "DI-LEM-NA" in order to remember the spelling.

If you read the comments in the yellow sidebar, you will see that many people were taught the incorrect spelling.

[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:40 GMT]


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No, it was never spelled with an "n"... Apr 13, 2016

... but millions were taught that it was.


Erik Freitag wrote:

Isn't this a hoax? I've never seen it spelt with an "n".


[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:38 GMT]

[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:40 GMT]


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Tom in London
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Bad teacher Apr 13, 2016

LegalTransform wrote:

... that it was spelled with an "n". We were even taught to mispronounce it (in our head) "DI-LEM-NA" in order to remember the spelling.

If you read the comments in the yellow sidebar, you will see that many people were taught the incorrect spelling.

[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:40 GMT]


You had a bad teacher. I once had an English teacher who insisted that "Chopin" should pronounced as in "shopping" and a History teacher who believed that the greatest history book in the world was the Bible.


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Erik Freitag  Identity Verified
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Ok Apr 13, 2016

LegalTransform wrote:

... but millions were taught that it was.



Ok, I'll take your word. I really suspected an internet hoax. But wait, I should just accuse you to be part of the "Dilemna Conspiracy" that is trying to make us believe people have actually been taught this spelling in school - this is how it works with the Bielefeld Conspiracy.


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Really? Apr 13, 2016

LegalTransform wrote:

... that it was spelled with an "n". We were even taught to mispronounce it (in our head) "DI-LEM-NA" in order to remember the spelling.

If you read the comments in the yellow sidebar, you will see that many people were taught the incorrect spelling.

[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:40 GMT]


Well, if it's "official" it should be added to a quality, up-to-date English-English dictionary, can you cite one? Probably not.

But this is how changes in a language evolve, often times when something not conforming to convention becomes mainstream or used by masses, it finds its way to a dictionary, sooner or later (in some cases much later). But for this to happen, it needs to become broadly used, and also somehow linguistically functional.

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I'm not the only one Apr 13, 2016

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/it-dilemma-or-dilemna "I was taught the wrong spelling in school, and when I got older and checked a dictionary, I was shocked to find that the word is spelled "dilemma."

See also: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-dil1.htm "...The reason for it seems to be a mental confusion with other words in English that are spelled with mn but said as mm, including autumn, hymn, condemn, solemn and column"

Erik Freitag wrote:




[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:57 GMT]

[Edited at 2016-04-13 14:58 GMT]


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If we're ... Apr 13, 2016

Tom in London wrote:

You had a bad teacher. I once had an If weEnglish teacher who insisted that "Chopin" should pronounced as in "shopping" and a History teacher who believed that the greatest history book in the world was the Bible.


... talking fiction, my vote is for Biggles Makes Ends Meet (1957).


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Don't you yet realise all words are from Greek? Apr 13, 2016

δίλημμα
when you have to choose between plague and cholera. If the origin were Finnisch it would be spelled "pula".

Yes, I've seen My Big Fat Greek Wedding 2


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Jessica Noyes  Identity Verified
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Me too Apr 13, 2016

I have no one at all to blame, but it was perhaps 10 years ago that I discovered that "dilemna" is wrong.

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Ben Senior  Identity Verified
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There may be no answer Apr 13, 2016

It's the old story of the same word being spelled differently in different places around the world. The biggest differences being between British English and US English. I have made a lot of money over many, many years translating US English into British English and the client keeps coming back every month or so with another job. Long live the difference.

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