Is this sentence illogical or trendy?
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jyuan_us  Identity Verified
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Apr 5, 2017

I read this sentence "The private sector added 263,000 jobs in March" on this webpage: "https://finance.yahoo.com/m/febfaddc-df3c-3df5-bcaa-e7b10709cb22/gold-snaps-3-session-win.html

Do you think "added" is correctly used in the above sentence? Shouldn't it be "263,000 jobs were added to the private sector in March"?

Or, do you think that the author used the verb in a non-conventional but still acceptable way?

More context:

The private sector added 263,000 jobs in March, according to a report released by Automatic Data Processing Inc. (ADP). The employment reading outpaced economists’ average forecasts of 170,000, and highlighted a continued a pace of healthy labor-market growth.



[Edited at 2017-04-05 19:40 GMT]


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Chris S  Identity Verified
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Not really Apr 5, 2017

It's the language of financial markets journalism. There's a lot of jargon-ridden shorthand. But yes it's a little odd if you think too much about it.

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Robin Levey
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Neither illogical nor trendy Apr 5, 2017

It's just plain sloppy journalistic writing - and that's been a trend for so many decades now that it's no longer trendy!

RL


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Nina Esser
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Agree Apr 5, 2017

At university we were told that the English language likes inanimate subjects and the standard example used was "the hotel sleeps 100 guests"... We had entire lessons revolving around how best to translate that structure into German

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jyuan_us  Identity Verified
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Thank you Chris, Robin Levey, and Nina Esser Apr 5, 2017

Your guys all gave enlightening opinions and I'm feeling less bothered about it now.

[Edited at 2017-04-05 22:56 GMT]


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Christine Andersen  Identity Verified
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Trouble is, we only like some... Apr 6, 2017

Nina Esser wrote:

At university we were told that the English language likes inanimate subjects and the standard example used was "the hotel sleeps 100 guests"... We had entire lessons revolving around how best to translate that structure into German


While we're quite happy with hotels sleeping guests and their restaurants seating them... it can be too much of a good thing. Some inanimate subjects just sound wrong to me anyway, and I don't know why. I frequently rephrase sentences that use them when translated directly from Danish, where they are quite acceptable.

I don't immediately like "The private sector added 263,000 jobs in March", but you could argue that it was short for a whole lot of other formulations that are clumsier and do not express the meaning any better. I prefer the 'were added to' version.

The fear of using the passive has a lot to answer for. Everything can be overdone, but in its place, the passive is often neater and more sensible than anything else.


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Mair A-W (PhD)
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Christine "I prefer the were added to"

Do you? It sounds weird to me.

"Added in the private sector". Maybe. "Created in" ?

ETA: Mind you, I often think "business English" is a language of its own, and I don't speak it.

[Edited at 2017-04-06 08:56 GMT]


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Mervyn Henderson  Identity Verified
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Variety Apr 6, 2017

I think they do that in financial reports to spice them up, albeit minimally. Gets dreary reading all the same blaargh about how things have increased, risen, fallen, decreased etc. Puts a bit of excitement into number-munching.

[Edited at 2017-04-06 09:26 GMT]


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Kay-Viktor Stegemann
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Don't "illogical" me Apr 6, 2017

Sometimes it seems to me that in English, everything can be a verb (and a transitive one at that). Recently I had a source text where "to SSL something" was used (obviously for "to transfer something via SSL"). I flagged this but the client said it was ok.

No wonder that my German output often has more than twice the length of the original. If you want to write correct German grammar, you have to write circles around constructions like this.


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Inga Petkelyte  Identity Verified
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The main subject Apr 6, 2017

The main subject here is the private sector - the emphasis is on the private sector creating new jobs, not that the new jobs just appeared by themselves in the private sector.
It is to read the message besides of the words sometimes.


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Chris S  Identity Verified
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For me, this is what translation is all about Apr 6, 2017

I translate stuff like this all the time for a variety of customers with a variety of needs:

The central bank would always want something formal and very precise:
"The number of employed increased by 263,000 from February to March"

The big bank's trading arm has to have it cool and funky:
"Another 263,000 punched in during March"

The rest generally want something succinct and neutral:
"263,000 jobs were created in March"

There are so many ways to skin a cat.

[Edited at 2017-04-06 13:43 GMT]


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Mervyn Henderson  Identity Verified
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Punched in Apr 6, 2017

Never come across "punched in" before but, like you say, if cool and funky's what they want ...

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Chris S  Identity Verified
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Skinning a kat Apr 6, 2017

Mervyn Henderson wrote:

Never come across "punched in" before but, like you say, if cool and funky's what they want ...


As in "clock in"? Ah well, just a hypothetical.

How about one in the style of Katie Hopkins: "Jeremy Kyle's viewing figures fell 263,000 in March"?


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Mervyn Henderson  Identity Verified
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Punchy Apr 7, 2017

And it's versatile, too - you could say they "punched out" when you're on unemployment figures. Or mortality tables, come to think of it.

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